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10-24-2009 12:29 AM  8 years agoPost 701
hootowl

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People...

Eternity is pretty hard to fathom.

A beginning and an end is pretty hard to fathom too.

I don't see how either can be explained.

This is where faith comes in. Some things cannot and possibly never will be explained to people in this world. Many of us believe we are incapable of knowing the whole picture. We would not understand it and/or we would destroy ourselves with the knowledge.

In some ways the partial knowledge that we have now is starting the destruction process. It's a clue, I believe, of what's to come. Knowledge will destroy us.

Goes back to Adam and Eve and the apple. It may not be so literal as written in the Bible.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-24-2009 12:43 AM  8 years agoPost 702
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Skid mark stop calling him last place,he probably is a nice guy. I have not noticed anything mean spirited about his post.

Hello Nitro: The following is an example of a straw man argument you presented. When asked the following: "Please explain why the concept of Free Will would not work without the influence of Satan." You then presented the following rebuttal.
In the Book of Genesis, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the tree of knowledge (and occasionally translated as the tree of conscience, Hebrew: עֵץ הַדַּעַת טוֹב וָרָע, Etz haDaat tov V'ra) was a tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9) from which God directly forbade Adam (Eve having not yet been created) to eat (Genesis 2:17). A serpent later tempted Eve, who was aware of the prohibition, to eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge (Genesis 3:1-6). Adam also ate, and they became aware of their nakedness (Genesis 3:6-7). After this, in order to deny them access to the tree of life (and, hence, immortality), they were banished from the garden and forced to survive through agriculture "by the sweat of [their] brow" (Genesis 3:19-24). A similar story is mentioned in the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam
Ok, let's break it down and see if you actually answered the question.

You lifted quotes from the book of Genesis chapters two and three explaining what happen, and then you noted a similar story being mentioned in the Qur'an.

No where does this explain explain the concept of why free will would not work without Satan????

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10-24-2009 12:50 AM  8 years agoPost 703
xeon1000

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Funny, I read the same thing and was like WTF he didn't explain his position at all.

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10-24-2009 12:53 AM  8 years agoPost 704
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10-24-2009 12:57 AM  8 years agoPost 705
RC/helicopman

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Funny, I read the same thing and was like WTF he didn't explain his position at all.
Xeon stop it, LOL, your post made me laugh so much my side almost started hurting. I am out of here folks. I got to go back to the real world. I am going out to eat with my family

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10-24-2009 02:27 AM  8 years agoPost 706
McKrackin

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I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-24-2009 03:44 AM  8 years agoPost 707
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This heartfelt, intelligently-composed contribution from TripperGreenFeet is amongst the most useful posts on this entire 700-Reply, 8000-Viewed fable-mashing thread. Well done, mate! There'll be an extra shrimp on the barby in your name this weekend -- right next to the obligatory ribeye steaks.
. . And this cartoon parable? Icing on the cake.

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10-24-2009 03:47 AM  8 years agoPost 708
McKrackin

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lmao...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-24-2009 04:43 AM  8 years agoPost 709
fiveoboy01

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Then perhaps you missed the opening to his post?
However, this beleif in evolution does not give me the right or inclination to tell others that their particular belief systems are wrong, if it makes them happy and gives them comfort who am I to judge. I'm just a spec of cosmic dust in the grand scheme of the universe or universes for that matter.
See, he can disagree without being arrogant, disrespectful, or insulting. You ought to give it a try

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10-24-2009 04:48 AM  8 years agoPost 710
GimbalFan (RIP)

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perhaps you missed the opening to his post?
I miss nothing on threads as useful as this.

Despite his exhibition of tolerance (however misplaced it may or may not be), tolerance of nonsense still accounts for most of what's wrong with folks today.

This doesn't mean his overall display of existential wisdom can't be admired.

And this parable he included cracks me right up every flippin' time I read it.

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10-24-2009 04:57 AM  8 years agoPost 711
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tolerance of nonsense still accounts for most of what's wrong with folks today
and it gets worse with each generation

But who is supposed to decide what is tolerable and then enforce it

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10-24-2009 06:53 AM  8 years agoPost 712
GimbalFan (RIP)

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Does God Exist?
Viva los Pythons!

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10-24-2009 07:08 AM  8 years agoPost 713
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Delitefully irreverent and entertaining

Makes as much sence as anything else to me.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-24-2009 01:03 PM  8 years agoPost 714
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Thanks Gimbal for the shrimp mate, with a bit of garlic and chilli they go down a treat.

I accept that people have different belief systems, however this does not discount that these views may be delusional and irrational.

To beleive something, may I use a biblical term, as gospel that was written by men is to loose the true meaning of such teachings.

For example the Tao Te Ching, written by Lao Tzu is the Taoist book of The Way or Virtue. Now this is recognized as the closest interpratation of Tao or The Way but as it is written by man it is no longer the true meaning of Tao, just that, one mans interpretation.
The true meaning of Tao is in the concesnous of the beholder, not in the controllers of some Dogma.
The most important aspect of Taoism is that to believe in 'God' Is to believe in one own 'Self' which is to say your are your own god, creator of your own destiny. 'Self' is a concept all of its own that would take more than a few snippets in this forum to understand.
There is the concept of immortality in Taoism but not as a religeous person would understand. To become immortal at the end of life is to become one with the universe.

"I the 'Self' came from cosmic dust and I the 'Self' will return to cosmic dust".

This may take eons in time with many cycles in between. Not reincarnation as is accepted but in the way of nature, we rot in the ground to become nutrients for more cylces of life, from worm food to plants to the meal of shrimp on the barbie.

Currently in China the Falun Gong(bases in Taoism) is being heavily persecuted because they pose a real threat to Chinese communist rule. Why you may ask, because they teach freedom of thought.

One of the main issue with organised religion is this tendency to follow one or a group of mens interpretation of a book. This is where fanatasism develops, people with an paticular ajenda start preaching to uneducated and disafected beleivers and this is where the brain washing begins. This then develops in to non-lateral and irrational thought patterns of the flock who end up doing the bidding of the hierarchy. Things that said hierarchy would never be caught doing themselves.

Peace out

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10-24-2009 01:07 PM  8 years agoPost 715
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Russell's Teapot

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

- Bertrand Russell

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10-24-2009 01:09 PM  8 years agoPost 716
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Very good post triper.

All of this thread really does nothing for me. It doesn't add or take away where I am.

That is because there is no one on this planet that convince me of things that are not available to our world at this time.

We came into existence. The how's and whys.... nobody can answer. We can argue forever as this thread shows. There are threads like this all over the internet. None of the content makes any difference to us. Every day is another tick off of our lives... lives we do not understand.

What we do know is our lives are finite. I think we also can agree that life on earth is finite. This earth is at a turning point with respect to the population and resources.

The best we can do is to enjoy life, believe in the goodness of whatever you choose. Hopefully it doesn't make you think evil things, or that others that do not believe what you believe, are infidels or lessor than you.

Love, compassion, caring.. giving, listening... these are the things that we should inject into every day of our lives. Not because somebody or something told you, but because you have it in your heart naturally.

Christianity is based on the unchanging standard that God has laid forth. Without an unchanging standard, we change the rules to accommodate our current whim. In reality, nothing has changed but our rules and beliefs.

Love is still Love. Death is still Death. Listening, Caring and Giving are still the same. These things cannot change. These things are the crux of our short lives. Everything else is just in passing.

People should praise others that believe in things that promote goodness. What is the point of telling someone who has devoted their lives to the teachings of goodness, that they are wrong. What is the point I ask? To convince them that they should believe in nothing? That our lives are for nothing? That if we rape, murder, torture and mame we have no worries, no reason to feel accountable?

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-24-2009 02:38 PM  8 years agoPost 717
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Love, compassion, caring.. giving, listening... these are the things that we should inject into every day of our lives. Not because somebody or something told you, but because you have it in your heart naturally.
Love is still Love. Death is still Death. Listening, Caring and Giving are still the same. These things cannot change. These things are the crux of our short lives. Everything else is just in passing.
These two statements are what life is about, no matter what your creed or colour.

Imagine if all humanity lived by these standards, life would be pretty sweet I reckon. Now I'm starting to sound like that dread locked hippy my missus keeps talking about.

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10-24-2009 04:35 PM  8 years agoPost 718
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The hard truth is that humans are born selfish, nasty, and uncaring animals that only care about where their next meal or feel good moment is comming from.
They have to be taught all of those good characteristics you talk about and science won't teach them.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-24-2009 05:43 PM  8 years agoPost 719
hootowl

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Bingo

When we are told feeling good may not be a good thing in certain cases, we tend to find reasons why the messenger is in the wrong.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-24-2009 07:03 PM  8 years agoPost 720
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The hard truth is that humans are born selfish, nasty, and uncaring animals that only care about where their next meal or feel good moment is comming from.
Not all. Some of the finest human beings on this planet were born to among the worst parents possible, into the most horrible conditions to be raised in, yet turned out to be honest, helpful people who wouldn't hurt a fly -- with no 'help' whatsoever from churches or a book of fables.

On the other hand you have your Ted Bundy's and Jeffrey Dahmers, both who apparently had mostly normal upbringings yet who turned out as they did.

What this means is that just as some humans are born with autism or a propensity for schizophrenia, certain folks won't be 'right in the head' no matter how well they're treated or how many times they go to church.

In fact, for humans with certain types of criminally-inclined genetic disorders or brain chemistry issues, attending church for them is like throwing gasoline on a house fire.
They have to be taught all of those good characteristics you talk about and science won't teach them.
Science -- and the many accurate, verifiable answers to our biggest, most important questions its various disciplines provide -- offers greater prospects for a more sane future for mankind than a book of fables ever will.

Using a book of blatantly false and contradictory fables written centuries ago as a guide for 'moral living' -- which on one page tells you it's a 'sin' to kill yet on another page tells you to stone your daughter to death if she sleeps with her boyfriend -- is no less foolish than using the medical knowledge of those times to do heart or brain surgery today.

The latin origin of the word 'science' is literally, to know. What on Earth could be more important and useful to a thinking, reasoning species than the ability to acquire -- and the inclination to acquire -- knowledge which is useful?

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