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10-23-2009 07:14 AM  8 years agoPost 661
philip 01

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I don't think either side has proof of this or ever will for that matter.
true again. these are the things that a truly intelligent person would agree with. no proof either way so why fight about it?

and to think people kill each other over this. (religious war)

welcome to planet of the idiots.

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10-23-2009 07:16 AM  8 years agoPost 662
GimbalFan (RIP)

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The fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe are definable realities to those with open minds and the appropriate educations.

It's a commonly-known characteristic of our species that we aren't born with instinctual knowledge as are many other species. We only learn as we live and grow, and sadly what's 'learned' is often BS rather than real.

The problem with trying to explain Reality to Fable Thumpers is that far more often than not, their minds have been conditioned -- often through no fault of their own -- to hold on with irrational fervor to false fables which have been virtually pounded into them since childhood.

As a result, a Fable Thumper's typical knee-jerk response to sensible, scientifically-sound explanations to questions about the fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe is to reject all ideas which even remotely appear to contradict their misinformed, misguided beliefs.

It's easier to mow a football field with a toenail clipper than to open the eyes of a man who's been learning since childhood to draw comfort from fables.

As with every essential problem in life for humans, education is the answer.

History sadly shows that for numerous illogical reasons, few choose this path.

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10-23-2009 07:22 AM  8 years agoPost 663
fiveoboy01

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Diversion....

You spend much time talking about the "other side" rather than simply spelling out what you believe(or don't believe). Telling, as it has always been with you.

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10-23-2009 07:23 AM  8 years agoPost 664
GimbalFan (RIP)

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Diversion, as usual.
And we once again see an example which proves my assessment.

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10-23-2009 07:23 AM  8 years agoPost 665
philip 01

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open minds and the appropriate educations.
with that not being the problem we are still unable to provide indisputable proof that all can clearly see. that is really the point.

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10-23-2009 07:27 AM  8 years agoPost 666
GimbalFan (RIP)

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we are still unable to provide indisputable proof
Wrong.
that all can clearly see.
Correct.

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10-23-2009 07:29 AM  8 years agoPost 667
philip 01

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fair enough,

but where is the undisputable proof? feel free to explain in detail without getting in a tizzy.

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10-23-2009 07:30 AM  8 years agoPost 668
fiveoboy01

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And we once again see the example that proves my assessment.
That's a stretch, considering you know nothing of me other than what you read here.... But keep assuming. I enjoy a nightly chuckle before I head for bed. I almost missed you while you were banned...

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10-23-2009 07:32 AM  8 years agoPost 669
philip 01

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dang.

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10-23-2009 07:40 AM  8 years agoPost 670
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And the members love for one another is strong! LOL

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10-23-2009 09:45 AM  8 years agoPost 671
RC/helicopman

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I have generally seen nothing but a bunch of rambling on and on by some of the skeptics (but not all) on this thread. They have been ask questions time and again and all they ever do is dodge them time after time with without answering them.
The fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe are definable realities to those with open minds and the appropriate educations.
I think I have got as open a mind as any one here and from the appearance of some of these post. I know I got the appropriate education.
The problem with trying to explain reality to Fable Thumpers is that far more often than not, their minds have been conditioned -- often through no fault of their own -- to hold on tightly to false fables and other bad information which has been virtually pounded into them since childhood.
I am also educated enough to know that every educated person doesn't believe in evolution as the solution to the existence of man.

I also try NOT to dodge questions when presented to me. Furthermore when not knowing the answer I am educated enough to say. I don't know instead of trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat with some kind of distracting comments that do not either answer a question ask of me or define specifically why I don't agree with a particular point!

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10-23-2009 10:04 AM  8 years agoPost 672
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One side presents what they believe, and the other side presents what they believe, adding insults, strawmen, ad-hominems, and circular/repetitive arguments with no purpose - other than to incite anger. Very telling.
+1

They say with respect to the mingling of peoples of different faiths or no faith should respect each others beliefs. Arguing about who is right is one thing but belittling or looking down on others for what they believe makes no sense to me. Faith can make a person look stupid to someone that believes in something totally different or nothing at all. There are millions of very smart, highly educated people in this world that have faith in things they cannot prove nor desire to prove. Most people who are real followers of the goodness of God are very special people. They are few and far between. There is a way in which they live their lives that some of us can't imagine doing ourselves. WWJD is what they faithfully do. I'm no where close to anything like that in my faith but the end result of it is what is most sought after in this world by people of peace.

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10-23-2009 12:36 PM  8 years agoPost 673
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there are alot of very well educated people out there who believe in God.
Too bad Gimbal isn't 1 of them
he still hasn't answered the question I see

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10-23-2009 01:19 PM  8 years agoPost 674
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First of all GBal and Last Place, I have not insulted anyone but myself for continuing to have this pointless conversation.
LOL Irony score is off the chart! Seriously RC/helicopman, you just called me "Last Place" and then continue to say that you haven't insulted anyone! Now, I have read every one of your posts in this thread, and have not once belittled you, called you names, or anything of the sort. All I have done, is point out the insult you posted about Carl Sagan, by saying even he isn't that stupid, and your complete lack of logic of that entire post. But, you had to go there. You had to throw out the personal insults.

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10-23-2009 01:49 PM  8 years agoPost 675
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They have been ask questions time and again and all they ever do is dodge them time after time with without answering them.
"The Circle", it has no beginning or end. Maybe I'm wrong but it would be nice if all the gibberish was at a minimum at best and perhaps stick to the question at hand.

Definition:

gibberish = Unintelligible talking


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10-23-2009 04:44 PM  8 years agoPost 676
RC/helicopman

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I did not insult Carl Sagan because I do not think he was that stupid. I know he was a skeptic but there are scientist that are probably equal to Carl Sagan in stature that don't agree with him. Everyone is stupid in some way including all of us, it simply means a lack of knowledge about something. Maybe I should have said he was not stupid instead of not even stupid. But my point was that every skeptical person here has dodge the issue I pointed out in my lengthy post about the complexity of the Universe and how no such complex entity could come into existence without cause. It either has to be eternal or it would have had something to cause it's existence to happen. . How is that not logical??? If not then dissect it and explain in simple terms, Why!
LOL Irony score is off the chart! Seriously RC/helicopman, you just called me "Last Place" and then continue to say that you haven't insulted anyone!
I knew as I was writing it that it was going to draw a reaction. I just couldn't help myself I thought it was funny, it was NOT intended to be an insult. However, even you for whatever reason appeared to get a laugh out of it by your (LOL), but if you perceive it as an insult then I apologize.

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10-23-2009 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 677
landingskids

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I don't see where an apology was needed, it really was funny, some names just set themselves up for that.

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10-23-2009 06:53 PM  8 years agoPost 678
1stPlace

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it simply means a lack of knowledge about something.
No, that's the definition of ignorance. Stupid is a lack of intelligence, or unintelligent actions.

Yet you want me to explain to you why:
It either has to be eternal or it would have had something to cause it's existence to happen. . How is that not logical??? If not then dissect it and explain in simple terms, Why!
Really? Got your dictionary out? You know, for those tricky words like stupid?

Eternity goes against every law of nature. Everything in our known universe has a beginning and an end, or a birth, and a death. Therefor, the idea of an eternal God is not possible. That is, unless one accepts on faith alone that God exists.

Simple enough for you?
I knew as I was writing it that it was going to draw a reaction. I just couldn't help myself I thought it was funny, it was NOT intended to be an insult. However, even you for whatever reason appeared to get a laugh out of by your (LOL), but if you perceive it as an insult then I apologize.
Of course it's an insult, though a very weak one. And, of course I always get a laugh out of anyone's weak insults. It's just hard to appreciate a lame insult. If you're going to insult me, than do it with gusto. If it's creative enough to leave me speechless, then I truly will let out a big old belly laugh of appreciation.
I don't see where an apology was needed, it really was funny, some names just set themselves up for that.
Got that right Skidmark. Ugh, I felt myself dumbing down as I typed that.

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10-23-2009 07:01 PM  8 years agoPost 679
landingskids

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Hey, it was funny to me and I am sorry but I am not apologizing. If he had call you a silly fool or a stupid idiot then you would have had something to complain about. But all he did was call your name last place and you seem to get mad about it. Darn man, come on! It was funny, I am still laughing about it NOW

You can call me skidmark I don't care

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10-23-2009 07:19 PM  8 years agoPost 680
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I am an athiest and am a believer in Darwins Theory of Evolution. When I use the term Theory I use it in the context of:

1: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Not in the context of:

2: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena.

However, this beleif in evolution does not give me the right or inclination to tell others that their particular belief systems are wrong, if it makes them happy and gives them comfort who am I to judge. I'm just a spec of cosmic dust in the grand scheme of the universe or universes for that matter.

Over the years I have taken a great interest in many different cultures and religions to better understand my fellow man. I have read the Bible(studied scripture at boarding school), the Quran, Book of Mormon as well as many other minority texts. I have studied Buddism, Yoga and Yogic principle, Tai Chi and Taoist principle. Celtic Paganism was also part of my young years as my German grandparents practised rituals throughout the years with great enthusiasm, celebrating the festivals and changing of the seasons without fail.
I grew up around a particular Australian Aboriginal tribe until my early teens immersed in the stories of their Dream Time. Aboriginals, the oldest, continuous culture on earth, of at least 50 thousand years, some scholars say even 110 thousand years. How can one say the Aboriginals didn't exist if we are to literaly believe some Biblical teachings such as a world only 6 thousand years old. I have have personally seen Middens(piles of bones from ancient camp sites) containing the remains of the Diprotodon which became extinct 8-10 thousand years ago.

But science is where I find most satisfaction, this answers more and raises even more questions than any religon or faith based dogma that tries to qualify mans and the universes exsistance. For me religon falls into the second meaning of Theory listed above.

My step son has just found God at the age of 22, he was baptised a week ago. I certainly don't knock his new found faith, in fact it's the best thing to happen to him in many years. He had quite a troubled childhood and was on a road of self destruction until he found God. I still love him and accept that he has found a belief system that works for him. Jesus has literally Saved him, if he had not found Christanity I honestly don't think he would have been on this earth too much longer. Now the one negative from his new found faith is that the church is activley driving a wedge between him and his mother and I. He has been quite honest as to why this is occuring, that is because of the fact we are athiests and we are going to hell no matter what. He says we will never be happy until we accept the love of Jesus, all our freinds are false and until we accept Jesus he wants nothing to do with us.

HOW does this work in the favour of Chritianity, driving wedges between family members? We as parents were so happy when our son came to us so full of joy and happiness when he told us of his new faith knowing that he had left his old life behind him. And in return he now shuns us because we are in his eyes heretics.

Is this some form of brainwashing? Is this not what Occults do, indoctrinate and divide?

Still after all this, I still accept every indivduals right to believe, worship or bow to whatever or whomever they wish. As long as it brings inner peace to each how can that be a bad thing.

Here's a little early xmas humour to lighten things up

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