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10-23-2009 05:01 AM  8 years agoPost 641
RC/helicopman

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Gball, who is "We" As the saying goes, do you have mouse pocket.

Please explain why this is not logical. If you drive down a road you have never been before and see a beautiful house on a hill, and someone ask you where did that house come from.

What are you going to tell them. It just poped up out thin air by itself. Even Carl Sagan wasn't that stupid!

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10-23-2009 05:03 AM  8 years agoPost 642
landingskids

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Hey GimballFan
I have heard of some very respected members of the scientific community that did not believe in dragons in the garage and do believe in the possibility of a God. Now what does that say.

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10-23-2009 05:07 AM  8 years agoPost 643
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Gimbal just because you didn't live up to your educated parents expectations isn't a reason to talk (write with disrespect) to others

What re-write have I done ?

Gimbal all your doing is making yourself look bad someone of your intelect would not participate in a forum such as this.
your actions only proves your childish behaviour and maturity and further shows that you are as dumb as the rest of us.

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10-23-2009 05:10 AM  8 years agoPost 644
1stPlace

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Please explain why this is not logical. If you drive down a road you have never been before and see a beautiful house on a hill, and someone ask you where did that house come from.

What are you going to tell them. It just poped up out thin air by itself. Even Carl Sagan wasn't that stupid!
First of all, you just insulted one of the greatest scientific and philosophical minds that the world has ever known. Secondly, what you just proposed, is no more "stupid" than than you saying that God exists, and that you know what God wants, without being able to show even a single piece of evidence.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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10-23-2009 05:13 AM  8 years agoPost 645
Blade_Master1

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does everything in front of you exist ?
you exist we exist everything in our universe exist !!
Why not God ??

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10-23-2009 05:13 AM  8 years agoPost 646
GimbalFan (RIP)

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Please explain why this is not logical. If you drive down a road you have never been before and see a beautiful house on a hill, and someone ask you where did that house come from.

What are you going to tell them. It just poped up out thin air by itself. Even Carl Sagan wasn't that stupid! - RC/helicopman
First of all, you just insulted one of the greatest scientific and philosophical minds that the world has ever known. Secondly, what you just proposed, is no more "stupid" than than you saying that God exists, and that you know what God wants, without being able to show even a single piece of evidence. - 1stPlace
Well said.

Thanks to Sagan and his outstanding bit of prose, several more sour grapes fall from the vine to the ground -- to become fertilizer for next years grapes.

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10-23-2009 05:23 AM  8 years agoPost 647
1stPlace

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Why not God ??
I have not claimed that God does not exist. I have only shown that the arguments presented for God, are completely illogical. I have also said repeatedly, that the human mind cannot conceive of what God is, let alone, claim to know what God wants. Is there a God? In my mind, yes. But, do any religions know what God is? No. Does anyone know what God wants? Absolutely, positively, unequivocally, NOT!

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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10-23-2009 05:23 AM  8 years agoPost 648
Blade_Master1

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For those of us who would like some good literature about God check out this website
http://www.whiteestate.org/about/egwbio.asp
this is a good starting point as well
http://3abn.org/

I suggest before you dismiss something you should research the topic yourself and for yourself

Gimball I personally challenge you to read the " Desire of ages"
then comeback here and tell us what you think after

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10-23-2009 05:30 AM  8 years agoPost 649
1stPlace

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I suggest before you dismiss something you should research the topic yourself and for yourself
Over 20 years of studying the Bible was enough for me. I have drawn my conclusions, and no writings, speeches, or stories of a Religious nature can change them. Only a genuine miracle, or religious experience can change them now.

Good night Y'all!

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10-23-2009 05:33 AM  8 years agoPost 650
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1stplace
all religions have a mental image of what god is
just like we have an image for santa clause
There is no specific definition for what God is
All we know is that God encompasses everything around us and in us
God is the Alpha and the Omega
from the beginning to the end ying and yang +/-
God is the existence of everything
to believe in God is to believe in our existence
even the ignorant shall believe unknowingly
Many will be in denial

God has given us religion so that we may have something to live for and so that we can have a Society

Amen !

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10-23-2009 05:36 AM  8 years agoPost 651
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I will ask this question again in case it got missed earlier in this thread.

GimbalFan, I would like to ask you, what do you think the very first thing to exist was? And where did it come from?

You can edit your answer all night as I will read it in the morning .

JimmyC

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10-23-2009 06:07 AM  8 years agoPost 652
GimbalFan (RIP)

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what do you think the very first thing to exist was? And where did it come from?
Why on Earth would a Fable Thumper care what an Existential Realist knows about cosmology?
You can edit your answer all night as I will read it in the morning
Are you having difficulty understanding the value of being fully understood?

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10-23-2009 06:32 AM  8 years agoPost 653
RC/helicopman

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First of all GBal and Last Place, I have not insulted anyone but myself for continuing to have this pointless conversation. I have made a post showing a number of respected scientist that do believe in the possibility of a creator.

However, none of you were able to challenge it except with silly straw man arguments.

Nevertheless, I do still see some merit in continuing.

Therefore, I would still like someone to explain how something can come into existence by itself. Whether this proves there is a God or does not prove the existence of God is not the point. Just answer the question. How something can come into existence by itself.

If you don't have an answer just say you don't know.

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10-23-2009 06:40 AM  8 years agoPost 654
fiveoboy01

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One side presents what they believe, and the other side presents what they believe, adding insults, strawmen, ad-hominems, and circular/repetitive arguments with no purpose - other than to incite anger. Very telling.

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10-23-2009 06:46 AM  8 years agoPost 655
landingskids

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I have asked that same exact question about existence myself many times and never get clear answers.

Everybody just runs and hides there head in the sand. Even if you don't believe in God you should still be able to answer the questions.

If you are going to have an honest debate you need to answer questions in an honest way. Present your arguments instead posting nonsense!

Quite frankly I don't think anyone can answer it myself. Although getting angry doesn't get you anywhere, but some honest answers will go a long way.

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10-23-2009 06:46 AM  8 years agoPost 656
OICU812

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I will ask this question again in case it got missed earlier in this thread.

GimbalFan, I would like to ask you, what do you think the very first thing to exist was? And where did it come from?
In no defense of Gimbal Fan or dis respect to anyone. BUT

Can anyone or any book or object, matter of any sort answer that? I say no, I don't feel anyone TRULY knows this answer? Assumptions, guesses on Believers and Athiests can argue but do either know, I think not? Would we find out when we die, really? Who Knows,, faith or no faith this may never be known by mankind, lets at least all be honest about that part. All imho of course, be well.

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10-23-2009 06:53 AM  8 years agoPost 657
landingskids

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BUT, Can anyone or any book or object, matter of any sort answer that?
Sure it can be answered, without a doubt. But the problem is it can't be answered in a reasonable way the skeptics want to answer it. That's why they keep dodging the question.

Most believers don't try to dodge questions if they are really sincere. Someone might not accept their answer but at least most of them try to answer the questions presented to them. At least most of them I know do.

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10-23-2009 07:04 AM  8 years agoPost 658
baby uh1

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The answer to all of this is quite simple! Gimbal's God, Carl Sagan,
Created the universe in his garage.
The end!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-23-2009 07:09 AM  8 years agoPost 659
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any remote possibility the there could be an extra terrestrial connection?
Can anyone or any book or object, matter of any sort answer that? I say no, I don't feel anyone TRULY knows this answer? Assumptions, guesses on Believers and Athiests can argue but do either know, I think not? Would we find out when we die, really? Who Knows,, faith or no faith this may never be known by mankind, lets at least all be honest about that part.
true.

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10-23-2009 07:10 AM  8 years agoPost 660
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Sure it can be answered, without a doubt. But the problem is it can't be answered in a reasonable way the skeptics want to answer it. That's why they keep dodging the question.

Most believers don't try to dodge questions if they are really sincere. Someone might not accept their answer but at least most of them try to answer the questions presented to them. At least most of them I know do.
That was not an answer sir, but an assumption that one side has the answer, which is only their "belief", correct? Again no sides here just pointing that out is all. I don't think either side has proof of this or ever will for that matter.

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