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10-22-2009 03:48 AM  8 years agoPost 541
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So how do souls work? If you are promised eternal life, what happens when you are reincarnated? Do you carry over your previous soul into a new body and pick up where you left off?

Does it work like the movie "Look Who's Talking"?

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10-22-2009 04:01 AM  8 years agoPost 542
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Does it work like the movie "Look Who's Talking"?

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10-22-2009 04:15 AM  8 years agoPost 543
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It is a common belief among theists (of many religions) that when you die, your soul exits your body and continues on its journey (to Heaven, Hell, or where-ever).
Many people also believe that the soul is the "real you" - your Id in a perfect world. This line of thinking leads people to believe that, for example, when a baby dies it's "real" self will live on, not as a baby but as an adult mind. This makes sense, otherwise all babies that die and go to heaven would still be babies there, which wouldn't be much use, really - knowing practically nothing and not being able to communicate or interact with other souls except by screaming and crying. It seems that no matter what state of development you were in at the moment of death, be it a helpless infant, a severely mentally handicapped person, or an eighty-year old with advanced Alzheimer's Disease, up in heaven you magically acquire all the mental faculties and knowledge you would have had as person in the prime of mental health.

The soul, apparently, must be somehow separate from the brain.

There are a number of gaping flaws in this idea (as is often the case with religious pseudo-science). The most obvious one is this:

If a person has a major physical change to their brain (due to injury, surgery, disease or oxygen starvation), it will often bring about a major change to their personality. Many people who suffer accidents that cause brain injury also undergo a personality change. It used to be common practice to lobotomise (surgically remove the frontal lobes of the brain) dangerously violent people as this brought about a dramatic change in their personality - they became much more subdued and docile.

There have been several cases where a person went into hospital for an operation, something went tragically wrong, perhaps with the anaesthetic, and the person suffered massive brain-damage as a result. Healthy, thinking, reasoning person before the operation, and a vegetable afterwards. What happened to the soul? Did the material drugs damage the immaterial soul?

Sometimes a baby is starved of oxygen during birth, and suffers irreparable brain-damage because of this. Is this evidence that God, for some reason, installs a "damaged" soul into the baby, coincidentally at the same time that the baby's brain is being starved, or is it evidence that your mental state is inextricably related to the physical state of your brain?

This begs the question: how can a change to a person's physical being have such a large effect on that person's non-physical being - their soul / personality?

Maybe the brain is just the soul's connection to the physical world? That is, the soul floats along inside our heads and use the brain the drive all the various muscles etc. that express the soul's desires and feelings. In that case, why do we have such a large brain? Mice and other small mammals get along quite well with a brain the size of a pea, so why can't humans? A mouse has a similar set of bodily organs and muscles to a human. Many dinosaurs had large bodies and tiny brains, so a big brain is not required to move big muscles. Why do we, with our average-sized body, have such a disproportionately large brain? Does a complex soul require a large brain to connect it to the physical world, or is our intelligence due to the hundreds of trillions of neural connections inside our heads?

Are memories stored in the brain or the soul? Some people partially lose their memory when their brain is injured. This implies that the brain stores memories, in which case how does your soul remember anything after brain-death? Does it take a copy of your memories and store them somewhere? If so, why can't it do this before death, giving us all perfect memories throughout our lives? What happens to those memories that are forgotten or lost? Does the soul somehow retrieve them so that you have a complete memory of every single second of your life, or does it only get those things that your conscious mind can normally remember?

If the brain is the soul's connector, why do other animals have brains at all? Do they have small, simple souls? Many religions teach that only humans have souls, and yet many animals are able to express their desires and feelings quite adequately (ask any cat-owner at feeding time). If a soulless animal can obviously express happiness or fear, is this caused purely by its brain or by some sort of mini-soul acting via the brain? If animals have some sort of soul, do they go to Heaven when they die, or is their existence simply extinguished (just as if their personality was indeed caused by the brain)?

If the brain is simply a link-point for the soul, then how can drugs affect the state of the soul? If you take some mind-altering drugs, the chemical balance in your brain will be altered, but how can chemicals have any effect on the immaterial soul floating along with the brain? How do antidepressant drugs stop a nonphysical soul from feeling depressed? Why do souls need sleep? Why does your soul cease to be aware while your brain slumbers?

The answer is quite simple, and not to the liking of theists. Your personality is a direct product of that physical organ in your head, your brain. If your brain is altered, your personality (your "soul" is altered. When your brain dies, your soul dies with it.

Nothing else makes sense and, as usual, the theistic explanations only raise more problems than they solve.

© Adrian Barnett

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10-22-2009 04:58 AM  8 years agoPost 544
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Excellent!

Sadly, even sound logic such as that will be lost on the Fable Thumpers.

Most folks just find it easier to follow blindly than to face existential mysteries head-on. This isn't surprising -- the Truth is often frightening, especially when centuries-old belief systems are revealed by science or simple, sound logic to be illogical and utterly misconceived.

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10-22-2009 05:06 AM  8 years agoPost 545
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God is Spirit.
This from The Word Of God, 1st Corinthians 2:6-16 >

"6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"[b]— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ."

Note: This "WE" Paul speaks of are they who have had their own
dead spirit re-born {Confer John Chapter 3].

Adrian, you gave a fabulous dissertation from the 'natural' non-regenerated mind of the physical manifestation of man, i.e.;
the soul and the body. The spirit of man is dead in sin until and
if that man will allow GOD to take up that sin Himself. This is
what God the Son, Jesus Christ did when HE died for the sins
of all that would BELIEVE that HE died in their place.

This seems foolish to the natural mind of man, but it IS THE
wisdom of God.

Do you remember reading in the first book of the Bible, Genesis
where once Adam and Eve had sinned, God made them animal skins
to Cover their bodies. Later God told the Israelite's to sacrifice
an animal for PAY for the sins of that year. But even a pure clean
animal CANNOT do much more than COVER those sins. God made a better way for mankind to be reconciled unto HIMSELF when GOD HIMSELF
came to the earth to DIE for mankind. (Those who would take HIM
at His WORD.) Jesus Christ is God. He is the One who died for us.
Well, we who believe HIM.

St. Paul was given the mission to take the TRUTH to the non-jew, the Goyim, the Gentiles, because The Jews denied Him and wouldn't believe.
Yet in the Torah (1st 5 Books of the Old Testament) God had Abraham
take his son to the mountain to sacrifice him as a prophecy of that
which GOD was to do in the Future in providing HIS own Son for the
sacrifice. The Non-believing (Non-Born-again Jews) of today want
to rebuild their temple to re-initiate animal sacrifice. God has
already PAID for all the sins of mankind! (But only those who
will believe Him).

That's why the New testament is so wonderful. After over 400 years
of silence, God came, born of a Virgin, supernaturally to show us
His POWER OVER DEATH! He, Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS of all they
who are destined to Rise from Death!

Someone has to pay for the sins. The Wages of Sin is death.
We will pay for our own sins unless we ALLOW God to do it for us!

Now, if Rising from the Dead in a whole new life doesn't seem
real or important to you, it is because you are dead already.
But being Born again spiritually (The Miraculous Gift of GOD!)
will instantly clear this all up!

Isn't God totally COOL!?

HE says to us, if anyone wants to go upward into His Heaven
after this life, all one has to do is: "Take My Hand and Come!"

If you think you're smarter than GOD and say I don't believe it,
guess what - you can't come...

Do you actually think that HE WHO MADE the eye cannot see?

Or He who made the ear cannot hear?

Satan wants to take all of mankind away from Heaven.
But he who OVERCOMES satan (By Believing GOD) will get to go!

So easy a cromagnon could really do it, ya know!?

Well maybe one who would BELIEVE GOD!

The WORD of God is the KEY to understanding God.

It is the REVELATION of God to Mankind.

He wrote it for us, to us!

It is a supernatural BOOK!

God revealed His Presence to me at a time of absolute
desperation. When I reached the end of myself.

You, however, don't have to reach that desperation to find
GOD, just ASK HIM to reveal Himself to you!

He will come in proportion to your contrite humble serious
request.

God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship
in Spirit and in Truth.

I began with the WORD, let me end in the WORD,
Colossians 2:8-15 >

"8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[b] God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross." {New International Version]

And 1 Corinthians 1:18 > "18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

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I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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10-22-2009 05:14 AM  8 years agoPost 546
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unadulterated BS!

So how do you two explain (if there is no God) "order out of chaos"...Can any of you pick up and throw a hand full sand and make a Cadillac appear?

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10-22-2009 05:19 AM  8 years agoPost 547
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unadulterated BS!
Yeah, but that's Byron's (helicopter's) standard technique.

His entire life is dedicated to using the false promises of religion to convince himself he's entitled to imagine his past crimes will be forgiven. This no doubt arises out of his deep personal feelings of guilt over the likelihood that his terms behind bars weren't nearly long enough to match his crimes. It's just another of many examples of religious insanity -- and sadly all too common.

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10-22-2009 05:36 AM  8 years agoPost 548
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Answer the question...nibble nibble...Order out of chaos?

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10-22-2009 05:39 AM  8 years agoPost 549
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Your 'question' has been answered many times -- some of them right here -- but as usual, many choose not to see. Typical.

The fact that you are unable to (or choose not to) fathom such concepts has no connection whatsoever to what is real.

I'll suggest a year or two at your local public library, or maybe a course or two at your local college or university in archaeology, anthropology, evolutionary biology, or -- take your pick. Any one of 'em is bound to help you some.

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10-22-2009 05:48 AM  8 years agoPost 550
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Well, it seems the prime mover of ideas doesn't want to acknowledge that just throwing sand in the air might prove there is a higher command over any thing coming out of Nev....hehe

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10-22-2009 05:48 AM  8 years agoPost 551
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702Nitro, if you have eternal life, why would you need to be reincarnated??????
The soul, apparently, must be somehow separate from the brain.
There are a number of gaping flaws in this idea (as is often the case with religious pseudo-science).
I think you are right about this! There could be some serious flaws with this, but it is a flaw only if you believe in immortality of the soul, some people believe that you don't have a soul but that you are a soul. In other words, you wouldn't say that a doctor has a doctor but that a doctor is a doctor. Therefore some people don't believe that people have souls that leave their body, but that the person is a soul not has a soul.

By the way, a lot of far east religions, such as Hindu and Buddhist believe in reincarnation.

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10-22-2009 06:12 AM  8 years agoPost 552
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just wondering If we evolved who or what raised the first Infant that evolved?we are born and raised so from that I assume thats the way It started.Also did the female evolve from one of his ribs or how did that happen?

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10-22-2009 06:20 AM  8 years agoPost 553
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A good question?

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10-22-2009 06:24 AM  8 years agoPost 554
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unadulterated BS!

So how do you two explain (if there is no God) "order out of chaos"...Can any of you pick up and throw a hand full sand and make a Cadillac appear?
So far i've heard the "Take an engine apart, put the unassembled parts in a washer, do you get an engine?"

"You walk down the street, you see a stake of quarters on the pavement, how did it get that way without someone putting it there?"

Heres my $.02

Can rubbing two sticks together make fire? Or is there a more divine explanation behind this miracle?

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10-22-2009 06:38 AM  8 years agoPost 555
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What's up Nitro? You been flying with the Szabo boys out in Vegas?

So far i've heard the "Take an engine apart, put the unassembled parts in a washer, do you get an engine?"

No need of being confused, the answer to that question is a simply NO!

You walk down the street, you see a stake of quarters on the pavement, how did it get that way without someone putting it there?"

Again, No need of being confused, the answer to that question is they could not have gotten there without someone or something doing it.
Heres my $.02

Can rubbing two sticks together make fire? Or is there a more divine explanation behind this miracle?
Simply answer here too, the answer to that question would be Yes, but that is only if there is someone there to rub the two sticks.

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10-22-2009 06:56 AM  8 years agoPost 556
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What's up Nitro? You been flying with the Szabo boys out in Vegas?
Naw,can't hang with the Szabos. I don't think they're even human. They're freakin robots, aliens, or machines.

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10-22-2009 07:59 AM  8 years agoPost 557
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Oh my gosh, is god real??

Every person who has typed in this thread knows their is a god, we all know this to be true do to the fact that if anyone of us look at the human body and how Divine it is you cant deny the fact of this.

Explanations for our existence is
1 we just came to be, freak of nature
2 Aliens put us here.
3 God made us.

regardless of all three above it all had to start somewhere dont care how smart anyone is you can look in the mirror and see whats looking back at you is more than just a freak of nature.

Could aliens put us here, maybe, but how do we not know that they may be apart of a different race like what we have here on this planet today, God as written quoted in books of today, "world's here I have created before"

To each his own on this, but we all came for the "ONE" place and to this day nobody has pinpointed exactly the "ONE" because some of us dont want to believe whats right in front of us.

Funny one for everyone who posted here in this thread why is it that when religion comes up look how fast this thread got in such little time, we are all wanting to know we have a purpose, to much in front of all of us to deny the truth, remember the last words from the kids mouth in the video and you will see and feel the truth if you truly listen.
Of coarse Gods real or your not here, thats the whole point and you dont need Einstein to know that.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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10-22-2009 08:09 AM  8 years agoPost 558
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this book is a fascinating read:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bo...g-9780595127498

it is called 'Everything You Know Is Wrong'. Amazing stuff.

Synopsis:

Everything You Know is Wrong is a well-researched, fact-based, clearly expressed, solidly defendable presentation of an entirely new position regarding the origins of life and human origins.

The origin of life, particularly human life, is one of today's most intensely debated subjects. Ironically, that debate has only two socially acceptable sides: Darwinism and Creationism. Darwinists support the detailed observations and speculations of a brilliant naturalist, while Creationists support the various interpreters of the Bible's scriptural teachings.

Despite the passion and intellect exhibited by both sides as they defend their positions, millions of people remain unconvinced by the arguments of either. For those individuals, it is time to present a viable, comprehensive, third option: Rationalism, which is the formation of ideas and opinions based on evidence and reasoning rather than on secular authority or divine revelation.

Everything You Know Is Wrong stakes out a solid, defendable, entirely new position in the debate about life origins and human origins. That position is bolstered by an astonishing array of scientific facts either unmentioned or conspicuously ignored by the two currently entrenched camps. By utilizing such a fact-based format, Everything You Know is Wrong's presentation of Rationalism offers a far more convincing explanation for the origins of life, and particularly of human life, than Darwinism or Creationism ever have...or ever will.

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10-22-2009 08:36 AM  8 years agoPost 559
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this book is a fascinating read:
Oh really?

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10-22-2009 08:41 AM  8 years agoPost 560
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you'd have to read the book in it's entirety to get the real jist. the book is about creationism vs darwinism. it is a great read.

of course in the end there are no real answers, like this thread.

no need for personal insults.

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