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12-30-2009 03:08 PM  7 years agoPost 2361
Dennis (RIP)

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The question of God's existence cannot be resolved by science or open debate, and by the construct of faith this also means that science cannot in anyway interfere with anyone's faith. But most faiths seems to be interefering with science where they shouldn't. And like my islanders story, you better question your faith when science shows some of it's claims to be wrong.
Correct. Thank you.
What started all this silliness off was some groups of people writing a text and it exploded like a viral campaign on the internet. The concept of heaven and hell was never heard of very long ago, and yet all of a sudden we know it now? How convenient!!! Or rather how moronic.
Actually what started this was the original post and the insults by about three or four jerks to all Christians and their faith in God. Possibly, without the insults, this could have been a good debate. Here is an example:
Now with all this silliness going on, and the religious can argue about their moronic beliefs till the end of time, it doesn't change one thing - and that one major thing is staring all of you in the face.

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12-30-2009 03:25 PM  7 years agoPost 2362
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you got to admit, you've got to be one ignorant fool to assume that science has given us all the answers.
just because something hasn't been discovered doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist.
out of all the stories and BS, science will no doubt show the truth eventually.
now what did i hear about 'quantum physics,' or the 'string theory;' now that does sound way out of this world

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12-30-2009 03:55 PM  7 years agoPost 2363
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I'm going to work on Quantum Mechanics, then move to Quantum Electrodynamics, then Elementary Particles and then maybe to String theory if I feel I could stomach it, unless Group Theory or Number theory doesn't tempt me first.

What you claim is not possible str8den. The theory says nothing about it - never will.

People can have "faith" in unobservable tooth fairies and society cannot reproach them for it. Such people with such moronic beliefs can take their "faith" to the grave with them and no one would be any the wiser.

The religious and their moronic beliefs don't get it: The world is Darwinian. That's not negotiable in any way whatsoever!

Their God can appear and change it, but He doesn't - he doesn't even bother to show himself. I wonder why?

They claim their God is loving and caring about men who believe in Him. The evidence from the natural world shows this is not the case. The amount of suffering, pain, hurt etc. . . . going on because of the Darwinian process that drives it, is phenomenal. If their God exists, He's reponsible for it - all of it. And that would make him a sick, twisted, fascist in the supreme sense of the word.

What goes on in the natural world, and the process of how we got here, is totally untenable with the concept of a loving God who "cares" for mankind etc. . .

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12-30-2009 04:02 PM  7 years agoPost 2364
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I'm going to work on Quantum Mechanics, then move to Quantum Electrodynamics, then Elementary Particles and then maybe to String theory if I feel I could stomach it, unless Group Theory or Number theory doesn't tempt me first.

What you claim is not possible str8den. The theory says nothing about it - never will.

People can have "faith" in unobservable tooth fairies and society cannot reproach them for it. Such people with such moronic beliefs can take their "faith" to the grave with them and no one would be any the wiser.

The religious and their moronic beliefs don't get it: The world is Darwinian. That's not negotiable in any way whatsoever!

Their God can appear and change it, but He doesn't - he doesn't even bother to show himself. I wonder why?

They claim their God is loving and caring about men who believe in Him. The evidence from the natural world shows this is not the case. The amount of suffering, pain, hurt etc. . . . going on because of the Darwinian process that drives it, is phenomenal. If their God exists, He's reponsible for it - all of it. And that would make him a sick, twisted, fascist in the supreme sense of the word.

What goes on in the natural world, and the process of how we got here, is totally untenable with the concept of a loving God who "cares" for mankind etc. . .
That post pretty much sums you up.

You have no clue what you are talking about with respect to our Loving God. All it does is makes you upset to think that reasonable people believe. They make you so sick you find the need to ridicule them over and over again.

God loves you anyway

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12-30-2009 04:04 PM  7 years agoPost 2365
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God loves you anyway
That could be debatable.

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12-30-2009 04:22 PM  7 years agoPost 2366
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synodontis: i don't think i intentionally made any claim, where you say, quote 'What you claim is not possible str8den. The theory says nothing about it - never will.' endquote.

i wasn't refering to any creator/god, but a generalization when i said, 'just because something hasn't been discovered doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist.' an example could be discovering a new spicies. if what i beleive is correct, upto 5,000 new species are found each year, albeit marine or insect, but they existed before they were found.
it might not be a good example, and i may well be way off the mark, but i hope you can get my drift, as there is a 'lot of space' out there and plenty of things to come to light. isn't the universe someting like 85% dark-matter, and is this figure of %'s reducing with the advance of science; ie; they have just found three planets orbitting a star that were never known before.

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12-30-2009 06:45 PM  7 years agoPost 2367
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str8den,

those of faith contend that God's existence cannot have empirical proof, it's their axiom. They are quite right to have that construct.

But then, by this same construct there is nothing to stop people believing in any other "friggin" nonsense imaginable: unobservable tooth faires (they disappear when you try to look:rolleyes, santa claus, fairies etc. . the list is infinite. So is their moronic stupidity in accepting things all because some silly text says so.
You have no clue what you are talking about with respect to our Loving God.
Oh, really? And you do?

How do I know you do? What credibility do you have for yourself? Who are you to say that you speak for whoever or whomever you speak for?

Since no proof or reference is possible, and we can't go to the source, this would result in a totally endless, pointless argument that leads nowhere. Your God could put an end to the silliness by showing Himself, but He doesn't.

Meanwhile, objective, impartial observations in the Natural World shows many of your claims to be moronic. Not just moronic, but plain, downright lies. It's not just me talking, but a whole mounting body of evidence that gets bigger and bigger every day. So you go and think about that.

I really find it funny you using the word "love", never for a moment bothering to question its biological basis. And not realising the duping that you're a victim of.

I need to dig up some Mencken quotes again. He's one of the finest writers that America has ever produced.

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12-30-2009 06:57 PM  7 years agoPost 2368
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Religion...The best business model ever created. What other business gets 10% of your gross income for supplying you with practically nothing?

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12-30-2009 07:55 PM  7 years agoPost 2369
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sorry for keeping on tagging to you synodontis but you give good, reasonable answers. but i have tried asking this question twice to you specifically - and you seem the right person to ask - so here i will ask you again.
everything was hairy-fairy at some point to peoples/humans imaginations until said theory/story has been scientifically verified.

so i ask your opinion: if mankind was to survive long enough as a spicies, would you say it is reasonable that he/we would come upon an existance far more intelligent than us humans?

if so, would science accept this, not fore-going the conclusion of such high (ref. different) intelligence/thinking would be so far a from our way, that it would be incomprehensable, unless we had a comparable with our own highest acheivements.

i am thinking darwinism, but in an interstella sort of way. we could be the self-serving non-maintainance fodder for our creator, the 'great farmer,' the one and only god! but alas of biological nature.

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12-30-2009 09:13 PM  7 years agoPost 2370
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synodontis,

I say again. You have no clue whatsoever. You're head is so far up your cosmic black hole that you are incapable of seeing at all. And yes you are correct, we will go on for eternity, only I don't think we agree on that either.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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12-30-2009 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 2371
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hootowl, you are distracting synodontis from answering my questions - unless you want give some input.

i ask you to think; could your god that you beleive in, that nobody has seen, possibley exist? if yes, as so many of you beleive so, is so inconceivable that god/it/they might be what can be called, for lesser terms, aliens??

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12-30-2009 10:05 PM  7 years agoPost 2372
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Technically we are all aliens in one form or another.

So long and thanks for all the fish!
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12-30-2009 10:15 PM  7 years agoPost 2373
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Technically we are all aliens in one form or another
yes, i have to agree with what little info i've gathered on the subject.

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12-30-2009 10:33 PM  7 years agoPost 2374
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Technically we are all aliens in one form or another.
In relationship to the universe, that can't be true:

From Websters:

Alien

1 a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : strange b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government : foreign c : exotic 1
2 : differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility

In other words, we are all citizens of this world. Others who come to our world are aliens.

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12-30-2009 10:49 PM  7 years agoPost 2375
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yes dennis, in relation to the universe it isn't true, but only in the sense that all the elements we are made from are created in some imploding star (nova? someone can step-in here!) that seemed 'out of this world' and would have been quite an alien thought not long back i suppose?

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12-31-2009 12:29 AM  7 years agoPost 2376
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if mankind was to survive long enough as a spicies, would you say it is reasonable that he/we would come upon an existance far more intelligent than us humans?

if so, would science accept this, not fore-going the conclusion of such high (ref. different) intelligence/thinking would be so far a from our way, that it would be incomprehensable, unless we had a comparable with our own highest acheivements.
mankind, unfortunately, is just like any other animal. Man just doesn't want to see himself as that.

whether there exists alien lifeforms out there is nothing to do with this thread.

Of course, there is nothing to stop an alien race, over 2010 years ago from playing a "trick" on the human race by creating the christ figure as a holographic puppet or robot, dupe everyone who sees it, and then go home again laughing to themselves how they messed up the minds of the human race!!! If I were an alien teenager with interstellar travel possibilities, I too might do such a trick on a primitive species for kicks.

It just goes to show you that the concept of God/Creator/who started it all off is not well defined - a rather tediously boring question to say the least.
I say again. You have no clue whatsoever. You're head is so far up your cosmic black hole that you are incapable of seeing at all. And yes you are correct, we will go on for eternity, only I don't think we agree on that either.
You haven't got a clue - and probably never will. The scientist didn't care about the islander's faith - couldn't give a damn. His job was to prevent them from poisoning themselves by their faith which called for eating a plant that was shown to be toxic. In the same light, you've poisoned yourself and your thinking. You've done this all by yourself, and it will be by your own thoughts that you cure yourself of all this friggin' nonsense.

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12-31-2009 07:06 AM  7 years agoPost 2377
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Of course, there is nothing to stop an alien race, over 2010 years ago from playing a "trick" on the human race by creating the christ figure as a holographic puppet or robot, dupe everyone who sees it, and then go home again laughing to themselves how they messed up the minds of the human race!!! If I were an alien teenager with interstellar travel possibilities, I too might do such a trick on a primitive species for kicks. - synodontis
Good one.
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Exactly!

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12-31-2009 08:46 AM  7 years agoPost 2378
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There are probably ancient Alien races out there

watching we "newbies"waiting for us to grow up and shake off the old superstitions of the past before they contact us.Maybe the earth is a cell part of a far larger body sat in an alien scientists test tube somewhere.Might sound far fetched"ahem"talking of far fetched ideasIf i ever perchance to meet that alien teenager,boy i am gonna kick his ass,we might have advanced so much fartherEspecially if he introduces himself as"God" or "Jesus".

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12-31-2009 12:12 PM  7 years agoPost 2379
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mankind, unfortunately, is just like any other animal. Man just doesn't want to see himself as that.

whether there exists alien lifeforms out there is nothing to do with this thread.[quote]

[quote]Of course, there is nothing to stop an alien race, over 2010 years ago from playing a "trick" on the human race by creating the christ figure as a holographic puppet or robot, dupe everyone who sees it, and then go home again laughing to themselves how they messed up the minds of the human race!!! If I were an alien teenager with interstellar travel possibilities, I too might do such a trick on a primitive species for kicks
i agree with the first part here, that we are animals, but i don't think it aleins should be dismissed as not belonging on this thread.

what if this 'god' is an alien (the original question of 'does god exist' makes this pretty much on topic - as it seems more feasible than an 'imagianary' entity.

this is the sort of direction i was getting at, but instead of doing it for 'laughs,' the illusion was a 'control implant.'
what a device it would be to stifle our technological advancements so we won't progress and find out the truth of our existence.
before the 'end is nigh,' there will probably enough human remains to produce a few good oil-fields

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12-31-2009 01:07 PM  7 years agoPost 2380
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Maybe the author behind the film the Matrix

is an alien and was trying to tell us something,its all about control,substitute the machines for aliens and who knows?Control from the cradle to the grave,"dont care what you believe in,just keep pumping them juices

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