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10-21-2009 05:10 PM  8 years agoPost 81
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Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990?

No
How do you know, has he even bothered to deny it?
He's not
Yes he is, I already showed you a link where his lawyers are trying to silence certain websites. Lawyers do not work for free pal.
Has he ever been charged with this crime? No
Has a victim ever pressed charges? No
Not yet anyway, so you are saying unless he's been charged with a crime then no crime has been committed? Ever hear of investigations and suspects? Can you assure me there is no investigation and he is not a suspect?

If so how?
Unless the definition of a "natural born citizen" has been changed to allow for Obama's circumstances, he is not a natural born citizen, and therefor ineligible to be president. Just because the Democrat party didn't properly vet him, does not make him a legitimate president. He will NEVER be a legitimate president.
His published birth certificate says born in Hawaii and 3 Hawaiian state officials including the Republican governor have stated on record that it is in fact official. Thats pretty strong evidence leaning toward natural born citizen.

I asked you what you based your opinion on and it turns out to be an anonymous email forward and nothing else.

You people are crazy.

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10-21-2009 05:56 PM  8 years agoPost 82
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How do you know, has he even bothered to deny it?
No, he has not even acknowledged it.
Yes he is, I already showed you a link where his lawyers are trying to silence certain websites. Lawyers do not work for free pal.
He does have lawyers trying to get the website shut down. Not because of the accusation, but because it is clearly defamation of character.

From your link:
Notice: This site is parody/satire.
His published birth certificate says born in Hawaii and 3 Hawaiian state officials including the Republican governor have stated on record that it is in fact official. Thats pretty strong evidence leaning toward natural born citizen.
Have you found the legal precedence for "natural born citizen" yet? Oh, never mind... Obviously you haven't. Here, let me help you!


The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens
On top of the case precedence, Obama Sr. was never a citizen of the U.S., not even by marriage, Obama Sr. married Ann Dunham, though she found out that her new husband was already married, making Obama Sr. a Kenyan, not a U.S. citizen.

Obama's father was never a U.S. citizen, and therefor, Obama is not a natural born citizen. PERIOD! END OF STORY!

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10-21-2009 06:15 PM  8 years agoPost 83
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No, he has not even acknowledged it.
Ignoring a situation doesn't make it go away.
He does have lawyers trying to get the website shut down. Not because of the accusation, but because it is clearly defamation of character.
How is asking questions a defamation of character?
He should file a suit and get it into court. Trouble with that angle is he'll NEVER win it and he knows it.
Obama's father was never a U.S. citizen, and therefor, Obama is not a natural born citizen. PERIOD! END OF STORY!
I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but you do realize that everything you are referencing there refers to persons born OUTSIDE the United States? Perhaps you've heard of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution?

DOH!!!!

Being a Libertarian I'd have figured you'd have known about that....

I'll wait while you read up on it...

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10-21-2009 06:27 PM  8 years agoPost 84
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rexxigpilot

The State of Florida only requires someone show proper ID like a drivers license or state issued ID card to get a gun.
And what documents must you show to get a DL in FL?

http://www.gathergoget.com/checklist/index.php

Notice they ask for proof of citizenship?

BTW, I just did it a mth ago and my Birth Certificate was one of the Documents. To get a DL you have to show citizenship status, to buy a gun you have to show a DL or ID. Ergo... you have to show citizenship status to buy a gun.

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10-21-2009 07:02 PM  8 years agoPost 85
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Huh....


Gather Get Go, Florida Licensing


Q:If I am a U.S. Citizen or an Immigrant with Permanent legal presence and renew my Class E license, what is the cost and how long will the license be valid?

A: Florida Class E (non-commercial) driver licenses will be valid for eight years, and the renewal fee is $20. On September 1, 2009, the fee for a Class E license will change to $48.00.

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10-21-2009 08:07 PM  8 years agoPost 86
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How is asking questions a defamation of character?
From the link you provided:
DURHAM, CT. - According to a recently discovered Durham County Police report Glenn Beck raped a woman in 1990.
That is not asking questions. That IS defamation of character.
He should file a suit and get it into court. Trouble with that angle is he'll NEVER win it and he knows it.
Maybe maybe not, lawyers in the blogs and forums seem to be pretty evenly split over the issue.
you do realize that everything you are referencing there refers to persons born OUTSIDE the United States?
Wow... Way to overlook the obvious. In each case I provided, the judges gave definition to the phrase natural born citizen. That is legal precedence. You know, a principle created by a court decision which provides an example or authority for judges deciding similar issues later. In this case, it's what is meant by natural born citizen (to the courts).
Perhaps you've heard of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution?
The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Nothing, Nada, Zilch...

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10-21-2009 08:23 PM  8 years agoPost 87
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From the link you provided:
Which link is that please and wheres the rest of the story?
That is not asking questions. That IS defamation of character.
Then who's responsible and again, wheres the rest of the story???
Maybe maybe not, lawyers in the blogs and forums seem to be pretty evenly split over the issue.
Check out Falwell V Flint. Glenn hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell.
The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Nothing, Nada, Zilch...
Watchoo talkin bout Willis? The very first sentence is ALL about it.
But hey, I really admire you for sticking in there despite your complete lack of any evidence that even remotely proves your point.

Find Law

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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10-21-2009 08:44 PM  8 years agoPost 88
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Which link is that please and wheres the rest of the story?
I found it on the link you provided. I'm sure you can find it too. You can, can't you? I mean, you are smart enough to point and click, right?
Then who's responsible and again, wheres the rest of the story???
Why are you asking me? You're the Beckxpert!
Check out Falwell V Flint. Glenn hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell.
So what? I'm not the one saying Glenn should take it to court, you are.
The very first sentence is ALL about it.
But hey, I really admire you for sticking in there despite your complete lack of any evidence that even remotely proves your point.
I just proved, beyond any doubt what a natural born citizen is. Prove me wrong. I'm eagerly waiting!

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10-21-2009 09:09 PM  8 years agoPost 89
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I found it on the link you provided. I'm sure you can find it too. You can, can't you? I mean, you are smart enough to point and click, right?
Which link is that??? Go ahead, you can say it. Glenn won't be mad.
I just proved, beyond any doubt what a natural born citizen is. Prove me wrong. I'm eagerly waiting!
So did I and it only took me one easy link. But you didn't prove and never will that Obama isn't one now did ya? And that's been the whole gist of your arguement, not what is, but who is.

His published birth certificate says born in Hawaii and 3 Hawaiian state officials including the Republican governor have stated on record that it is in fact official. Thats pretty strong evidence leaning toward natural born citizen.

Heres some more reading for you. Feel free to take a crack and try and prove any of it wrong. You'll be a hero to the birther movement.

Factcheck

Politifact

Even Snopes fer chrissakes!!!!

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10-21-2009 09:26 PM  8 years agoPost 90
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Which link is that??? Go ahead, you can say it. Glenn won't be mad.
You know which one. I won't give you the pleasure of seeing it posted again.
So did I and it only took me one easy link.
No, you didn't. If you did, then you could explain how the 14th makes Obama a natural born citizen. As a matter of fact, the 14th, reinforces that Obama is merely a citizen, NOT a natural born citizen.
But you didn't prove and never will that Obama isn't one now did ya?
Of course I did. I gave you four Supreme Court decisions which define the meaning of natural born citizen. Neither you, nor the links you posted have provided any evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen. His father was a Kenyan. That makes Obama a citizen, not a natural born citizen.

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10-21-2009 09:38 PM  8 years agoPost 91
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No, you didn't. If you did, then you could explain how the 14th makes Obama a natural born citizen. As a matter of fact, the 14th, reinforces that Obama is merely a citizen, NOT a natural born citizen.
That's what the other three links did.

Until you or anyone else come up with something that disproves the birth certificate that he provided then your point is moot, whatever the heck it is.

You can define whatever you want but as long as that certificate stands it doesn't matter one bit.

Its a state certified document, 3 officials have said so, and you or anyone else have provided nothing to disprove it. Nothing.

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10-21-2009 09:40 PM  8 years agoPost 92
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You know which one. I won't give you the pleasure of seeing it posted again.
I'm sorry, I post lots of links. You'll have to send me to it or you can concede the point as something you just made up and attribute to a link you falsely claim I provided.

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10-21-2009 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 93
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Until you or anyone else come up with something that disproves the birth certificate that he provided then your point is moot, whatever the heck it is.
Sigh, I am not debating the legitimacy of Obama's certificate of live birth, and never have.
You can define whatever you want but as long as that certificate stands it doesn't matter one bit.
So, the "natural born" clause in Article II of the Constitution means nothing then? That's no longer a valid requirement for the presidency? Oh you silly Democrats... Always ignoring the parts of the Constitution when you don't like those parts!
Its a state certified document, 3 officials have said so, and you or anyone else have provided nothing to disprove it. Nothing.
When and where did I ever claim that it's false? I have questioned his citizenship status, and proved that he is not a natural born citizen. There's a reason that little clause says natural born, not U.S. born...
I'm sorry, I post lots of links. You'll have to send me to it or you can concede the point as something you just made up and attribute to a link you falsely claim I provided.
Bwahahahahahaaa! It's from your rape link. It's in there. You can find it. Just start clicking on the "evidence" links on that page, and eventually, you'll find it.

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10-21-2009 10:14 PM  8 years agoPost 94
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So, the "natural born" clause in Article II of the Constitution means nothing then? That's no longer a valid requirement for the presidency? Oh you silly Democrats... Always ignoring the parts of the Constitution when you don't like those parts!
I'm not ignoring anything, Amendment 14 states that any person born in the US is a citizen. If you are born in the states that automatically makes you a natural born citizen.

Whats so hard to understand about that? You think your convoluted twisting hasn't been thought of and shot down yet? What you are referring to applies to persons born outside the US to parents of citizens like John McCain, born in Panama of US parents, automatic natural born citizen.
When and where did I ever claim that it's false?
Then you concede the point. Born in Hawaii as US state = natural born citizen.
I have questioned his citizenship status, and proved that he is not a natural born citizen. There's a reason that little clause says natural born, not U.S. born...
Using convoluted twisting of unrelated case law that has no bearing on this situation.
Bwahahahahahaaa! It's from your rape link. It's in there. You can find it. Just start clicking on the "evidence" links on that page, and eventually, you'll find it.
Geez, just post the link already.

You say there's actual evidence? Where?

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10-21-2009 10:57 PM  8 years agoPost 95
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I'm not ignoring anything, Amendment 14 states that any person born in the US is a citizen. If you are born in the states that automatically makes you a natural born citizen.
No, it doesn't. It says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

It clearly does not say natural born citizen. That is why I gave the Supreme Court decisions which actually define natural born. You are inserting something into the Constitution that does not exist.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
You tell me. Why don't American's understand, or even acknowledge the definition of natural born citizen?
You think your convoluted twisting hasn't been thought of and shot down yet?
Who's twisting what? I gave you the definition of natural born citizen according to 4 Supreme court cases. You have provided nothing to verify your definition of natural born.
What you are referring to applies to persons born outside the US to parents of citizens like John McCain, born in Panama of US parents, automatic natural born citizen.
No, it's not. A natural born citizen is not defined in the Constitution, or any USC. So, we have to rely on the accepted definition from the Supreme Court. I provided that definition from four different cases. You, and everyone else who thinks you are correct, has overlooked that definition. A natural born citizen, is one who is born on a countries soil or territories, by parents who are citizens of that country.

If you can prove otherwise, go for it. Until then, Obama remains an illegitimate president.
Geez, just post the link already.
No, The entire premise of that website is so ridiculous that I will NEVER post any links from it, EVER!

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10-21-2009 11:18 PM  8 years agoPost 96
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Who is a natural born citizen? According to the Supreme Court, it's those who are born in a country, by parents who are citizens of that country. For the sake of Obama's legitimacy, can anyone here show me when and where that definition was changed?


The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens

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10-22-2009 12:55 AM  8 years agoPost 97
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Insert Jeopardy music here

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10-22-2009 02:06 PM  8 years agoPost 98
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If he puts enough of us on his list, he won't have anybody to argue with. Then he will declare he won because no one is arguing against him, so all must agree with him.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-22-2009 02:10 PM  8 years agoPost 99
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Gyro, are you referring to Obama, or OCB? or both?

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10-22-2009 02:11 PM  8 years agoPost 100
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Hivoltage
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Location: Ohio
He has me on his ignore list. I cant reply to his topics because I ask questions and question his stupid remarks. Just like Obama dont want Fox to ask him questions.


oysifly
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Yep, he is a child indeed. Too ignorant to have any sense!!!

Dennis
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Location: Orygon
He has me on his ignore list as well. Ask me if I give a rip?

baby uh1
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Location: St. James, Mo.

Just like Hivoltage said, ask him a logical question and he runs home to mommy!

The only reasons that I don't put him on my ignore list is that I like to laugh at his posts and that I'm not a coward who hides when the going gets tough.

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Ozark is a closet communist...why do you waste your time laughing at him? We all should be putting our energy into getting the right people elected so we can turn our country around back to the rightful owners.
10-21-2009 02:13 AM

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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