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09-07-2009 05:25 AM  8 years agoPost 1
OLROY

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Wichita Ks

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Hello Rappy fans...

Had a good friend of mine say that my Raptor 50 v2 wouldn't be able to fly as good as his Vibe 50 or Trex 600n
Ok so he might be right for now but I need some help with s/u on my Raptor. Here is a list of what I have now and only been flying for 2mo
Any input would be great....thanks

O.S. .50 Hyper motor
CY MP5 muscle pipe
Align 2-n-1 BEC
Jr 770 gyro
Futaba S9254 tail servo
Futaba S9202 on Throttle
Jr Ds8317 on the rest
Spectrum AR7000 Receiver
Full Mavrikk metal head
Upgraded 4mm flybar
Mavrikk metal tail
Mah 600mm carbon main blades

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09-07-2009 07:01 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Kentoby

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I agree with your friend... The Raptor can go toe to toe with the 600N...

This is a hobby that for some reason continues to push the philosophy that that the "Latest" must be the "Best". For instance look at every one dumping their 401 and 611 gyros as if overnight the 520 has become superior "...man, how did I manage without one???". Another example, there is a guy at work that asked me what I knew about the new Align 450 Pro; He went on to say that "...I hear it's soooo much better than the older ones...". I had to laugh because in this hobby you hear that phrase like a broken record. Just let me know when you are ready to dump that V1 or V2 450SE!!
I happen to own 2 Align 600E's and a 600N and a Raptor 30 and 50 (and others) and I can tell you that if you ignore what's popular and simply concentrate on set up and being a good solid pilot, the Raptor is just as capable as the 600N. The 600N is a bit cheaper to crash but not a "better" flying machine, it just happens not to be on the current "what's Hot" list.

KT

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09-07-2009 01:37 PM  8 years agoPost 3
daren

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My setup is,
Os 50 with a 91szh carb,
jr 8717s all round,
spektrum 9000 receiver,
Radix blades,
Hirobo xspec seesaw and upper mixing arms, found the 4mm flybar slowed it down so went back to the 3mm one,
Green paddles,
can run +15 -15 with 10 degrees cyclic,
Sold my trex 600 because it was way to slow for me!

Daren
Using the ground to reverse engineer

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09-07-2009 02:00 PM  8 years agoPost 4
OLROY

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This is great info thank you two. I'm thinking that I might need more torq and speed on my servos.Jr 8717 would be really nice to have. I also have my flybar at 4mm so maybe I should go back to 3mm and put my 3d green paddles back on it. So what would be advantage for using 4mm?

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09-07-2009 02:41 PM  8 years agoPost 5
turboomni

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The bottom line is all the heli's you mention will out fly 99% of the pilots out there. The difference between them is small compared to the capabilities of most pilots. Setup is key as well as talent and time spent flying. Media hype sells products with the illusion of resulting mastery of piloting .......

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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09-07-2009 03:17 PM  8 years agoPost 6
OLROY

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Tks Turboomni....I understand about the pilot and skills, I'am not ready for any 3D flying yet. I would like to get my Heli s/u so when I'm ready to start trying 3D moves I can. I just want my Heli to be just as good as his Vibe or Trex.
Tks again for all the feedback

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09-09-2009 08:01 AM  8 years agoPost 7
OLROY

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I was just wanting to know if all the metal upgrades I have for the head and tail over kill. Could this just slow down my heli and should I go back with stock.

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09-09-2009 01:47 PM  8 years agoPost 8
turboomni

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I was just wanting to know if all the metal upgrades I have for the head and tail over kill. Could this just slow down my heli and should I go back with stock.
Keep them on it's fine and keep the stock parts for backup. Use your money from now on for fuel and upkeep.
Have you been to Raptor Technique.com? There you will find answers to ANY Raptor question and how to setup your heli. How is your heli setup now? Do you have 0 pitch at mid stick? Tail holding well? Running a sane headspeed for what your doing? All ball links tight?
Blades balanced correctly and well? Tell us what your real concerns are with the heli not the comparison of brand names. you seem to be caught up in this abit. Believe me the Raptor can hold it's own compared to any other heli. It's not the fanciest or the most expensive. There is a reason the Raptor has been in production for so long. Many Align guys I have read here on RR have gone back to the Raptor with happy results. They prefer it.
Tell us your real concerns.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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09-09-2009 11:42 PM  8 years agoPost 9
OLROY

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Ok I think it's set at -12/+12
the tail holds good in head hold.I'm wanting to know what to change or add like servo's,main blades,tail blades or anything else to make a sweet flying bird.

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09-10-2009 12:32 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Kentoby

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OLROY...

I see you just joined our community in June so forgive me if I wrongly assume that you have only recently started flying. The best thing you can add to your bird to make it fly "sweet" is gallons and gallons of fuel and stick time. No kidding, for example, buying Jordan shoes won't make you a better basket ball player, a $5000 guitar won't make you a better guitarist and adding aftermarket parts to your Raptor won't make you a better pilot; only stick time and fuel will do this... period. Take it from a guy with 42 bass guitars and 18 helicopters. I'm a good bass player due to the thousands of hours I have put into playing and I'm just an OK pilot because I get out of them what I put into them... not enough time to be very good. Best advise... Buy stock parts and fuel by the case!!

My 2 cents!!!

KT

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09-10-2009 10:59 PM  8 years agoPost 11
OLROY

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OK well I did just start flying Heli's about 3mo ago. I started out with a CX2 then Novus CX, Blade 400, Raptor 50se v2 and Trex 450se v2.
I can do fig 8's and ff flight with the Trex but scared with the Raptor lol. I just really started to fly the Raptor and today bought my second gal of fuel. I'm really thinking of going to a 600E because of price of Fuel and you saying buy by the boxes. Starting this topic I just wanted a good heli that I can start with now and know it would be able to do 3D when I'm ready with out any changes.

Thanks again for all that has replyed.

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09-11-2009 05:53 PM  8 years agoPost 12
TwistedRotor

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The best thing you can add to your bird to make it fly "sweet" is gallons and gallons of fuel and stick time. No kidding, for example, buying Jordan shoes won't make you a better basket ball player
+1. That's why I still run analog servos, my "old, outdated" GY240 gyro, with a 72mhz radio. The only upgrade that I've done that seemed worth it, was the upgrade to the SE head.

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09-11-2009 06:07 PM  8 years agoPost 13
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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No Raptor or Trex is going to fly as well as a Vibe and I'm a big Raptor fan (I own 3 or 4 of them)

As for the trex, the rex is lighter so its a bit more agile and has more throw out of the head, its not as solid in the wind and IMO not as tough in a crash.

Andy
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09-11-2009 06:38 PM  8 years agoPost 14
rexxigpilot

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Had a good friend of mine say that my Raptor 50 v2 wouldn't be able to fly as good as his Vibe 50 or Trex 600n
IMO, the Raptor flies better than the T-Rex 600N and the Vibe bone stock. I have all those helis plus a Titan SE, SDX and 600E in the 50 class. The T-Rex can't take a beating and falls apart/wears out quickly. It also doesn't track as well as most other 50 helis on the market like the Raptor, SDX and Vibe. As for weight, my Raptor V2 SE with the Titan updates and longer boom is almost the exact same weight (0.1 lbs heavier at 7.25 lbs) as my 600N.

The SDX does outfly the Raptor V2 IMO, but it is a bit heavy (7.9 LBS). So the Raptor is easier to do some maneuvers with like climbing tic tocs. The head of the SDX can be adjusted to suit personal flying style, the Raptor has limited adjustment. The ultra-lightweight (green) paddles are the first upgrade to do to the Raptor if you didn't already do so.

The Vibe has excellent tracking like the SDX and can be adjusted to suit flying style as well. Unfortunately, it is by far the heaviest of all my helis at 8.25 lbs. I just got a NovaRossi 57 to try in one of my helis. The Vibe is likely to benefit the most from the extra 0.5 hp over a OS 50 Hyper or YS 50. With the added power the SDX and Vibe should outfly the Raptor, but not by much.

Ask your friend if he or anyone else he knows can fly a 600N or Vibe better than Colin Bell flies a Raptor! The only true answer is no IMO!

Now, if your friend had said a 700N, he would be correct.

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09-13-2009 04:43 AM  8 years agoPost 15
David Blain

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OLROY-
Only input I will throw your way is I did that Maverick all metal head set up (tail also). I found that the bearings in the Maverick parts are flat out junk, they don't last and tend to be notchy and rough even when brand new due to low quality.
Sorry but the information will help you out in the long run.
When your budget allows get some quality bearings in your set up, I use Boca Bearings (RR Advertiser) on all my parts now, Just the base line SS bearings blow the factory Raptor never mind the Maverick line away as far as smooth and consistent.

I have since switched all my head back to the Factory Raptor parts but kept the Maverick Tail section. All are spinning on Boca Bearings.

Just keep an eye on them during your maintenance. Look for the Notchy feeling showing up, it will dramatically effect your flying if they go bad!

David Blain
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09-13-2009 09:03 AM  8 years agoPost 16
OLROY

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Hey thanks again for everyone's help. Had a friend take that head and he went through it all and tighten everything back up. It seems to be solid now but I think your right I want the titan se head to get my
-15/+15 pitch. It now will fly with everything 0 out on tx and is a blast thanks to Dave a good friend of mine. What is a good head speed that I would be able to control real good and have a punch to it. I have the 600mm MAH blades on it but I was told that if I went with cy blades I would be better off. I took the 4mm fly bar off and went back to 3mm with Align paddles. The tail blades are still stock though.

Thanks again everyone who posted reply's

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09-13-2009 03:07 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Zaneman007

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On Raptor servos, head speed and pitch, and blades

The R50 is a good flying machine, period.

You do NOT need 8717's on the cyclic of the R50, because...

One servo controls the aileron and the other the elevator. These servos are connected to the flybar. The flybar is like power steering. There is not a ton of torque required. Focus on a good digital sevro that centers well with decent speed, like .16 or faster, and you'll be happy.

The pitch servo is another issue. An 8717 on the pitch will make a load of difference, and you will notice it.

The head speed... This is a function of the gearing and motor. The OS50 is designed to produce max torque at 17,000 rpm. This translates to a head speed of 2000rpm with an 8.5:1 gear ratio which is standard on the raptor.

On pitch, keep in mind that 15 degrees of pith is a ton of pitch without any cyclic, but once you input cyclic that number starts to climb. To much pitch and you will not create any lift, and it becomes counter productive. Not to mention the wear and tear on the motor.

On blades, all blades fly different, some are great for sport flying, some are great for 3D, some are a mix of 3D and sport, and some are experimental.

I see a lot of guys doing serious 3D using CY stick bangers, but those blades do not auto well, and IMO they are not that good for high speed flying (sport flying).

The question is will you notice the difference. When you get to the point where you go,... "Man, this blade is loading up bad.". Yea, then go get some CY's and give them a try.

Just my two cents.

Old Guys Rule!

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09-13-2009 04:09 PM  8 years agoPost 18
TRACERBOB

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I would keep an eye on that Align 2 into 1. My flying buddy crashed his new R50se twice because the thing crapped out. He was checking out his heli after the second rebuild and found out he couldn't shut it down. Thank God he was on the ground as the 2-1 had just died again. Otherwise, it would've been crash no. 3. No, I'm not align bashing, but giving you a heads up to keep an eye on it.

Life is hard. Harder when your stupid

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09-13-2009 04:20 PM  8 years agoPost 19
T-Rex-Flyer

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Had I known after the first crash it was the 2 in 1, I could have avoided incidents two and three. Too bad Align won't take responsibility for there faulty products.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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09-13-2009 06:36 PM  8 years agoPost 20
RotorTech321

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I like the Raptors better also. Much better. Tell your "friend" its not the heli, its the set up and the person that flys it!!

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