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09-04-2009 04:51 AM  8 years agoPost 1
antja

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I was looking at buy an Airtronics SD10G radio but I found it is not
compatible with Phoenix flight sim.
why would a manufacurer put out a new radio that is not
compatible with probably the most popular flight sim on the
market.

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09-04-2009 04:58 AM  8 years agoPost 2
TMoore

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Who says it is not compatible? It absolutely is but to be honest the Phoenix sim or any other wasn't even a consideration in the design of the radio, it just works with all of them. Page 198 in the manual details PPM8 mode.

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09-04-2009 05:18 AM  8 years agoPost 3
antja

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According to Revelution models UK who sell these radios there
is no cable adaptor that will link to Phoenix.

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09-04-2009 05:37 AM  8 years agoPost 4
TMoore

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How is that Sanwa/Airtronic's problem? Sounds like a Phoenix problem to me. Making a sim cable isn't exactly rocket science. There are only two wires necessary; signal and ground. Do you mean to tell me that all those smart programmers at Phoenix can't solder two wires on to a 4 pin S Video plug and interface it to their Sim cable?

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09-04-2009 05:42 AM  8 years agoPost 5
antja

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I am glad I ran into someone who knows everything.

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09-04-2009 05:55 AM  8 years agoPost 6
TMoore

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I never said I know everything but I do know how to fabricate Sim cables. It isn't hard.
I was looking at buy an Airtronics SD10G radio but I found it is not
compatible with Phoenix flight sim.
why would a manufacurer put out a new radio that is not
compatible with probably the most popular flight sim on the
market.
You made a statement of fact and I'm telling you as someone who tested the radio for months that it isn't any different than any other radio. It will work with the Phoenix sim if they are capable of making the proper cable. Radio manufacturers aren't responsible for making adapter cables for sims.

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09-04-2009 06:12 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Dood

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Is the trainer plug on the back of the SD10G different somehow than what they have on older Airtronics radios?

Phoenix does list an adapter for Sanwa/ Airtronics radios
http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/...ssories-8-c.asp

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09-04-2009 06:15 AM  8 years agoPost 8
jackheli

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Just drop an email to the tech support at Phoenix. They will reply to you in a heartbeat. They always do.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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09-04-2009 06:17 AM  8 years agoPost 9
TMoore

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Yes, the SD 10G uses the 4 pin S Video style of cable just like the Stylus uses. The cable that is listed on the link is for the RD series radio. It is a trivial task to take a JR cable which is a cable that has signal and ground in it and adapt it to the SD10G port. As I said earlier, the Trainer port supplies signal and ground and that is all that the sim requires.

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09-04-2009 07:18 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Sonic88

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The Phoenix sim cable uses an encyption so you cannot just make one. It is their piracy control. You must have a dongle made by Pheonix in order for their sim to run.

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09-04-2009 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Dood

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He's talking about an adapter for the phoenix dongle.

Thats what all of THESE are.

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09-04-2009 07:28 AM  8 years agoPost 12
Sonic88

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Oh got cha. Thanks for clearing that up DOOD. In that case, I think TMoore is correct, you should be able to rig something up yourself for that. Are you certain that none of them fit, even if they dont say so specifically.

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09-04-2009 08:17 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Steelhog

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Oh got cha. Thanks for clearing that up DOOD. In that case, I think TMoore is correct, you should be able to rig something up yourself for that. Are you certain that none of them fit, even if they dont say so specifically.

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Absolutely certain it doesn't fit.I am holding it in my hand now.
The phoenix website says they have an adaptor for airtronics.They should be more specific,they have an adaptor for some models of airtronics.

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09-04-2009 08:27 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Sonic88

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Well, in that case, I think you are going to have to custom make one as TMoore suggested. This is beyond my expertise, but he can probably give you the info you need. Goof luck. Let us know how it goes for you. You are likely not the only one with this issue.

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09-04-2009 01:58 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Double Springs

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Looks like you can get one of these:

http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/477107.asp

and adapt it to the JR plug. If someone could provide you with the pinout of each cable you would be set.

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09-04-2009 02:07 PM  8 years agoPost 16
DarkSide41

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Making a sim cable isn't exactly rocket science. There are only two wires necessary; signal and ground. Do you mean to tell me that all those smart programmers at Phoenix can't solder two wires on to a 4 pin S Video plug
TMoore should be able to help you out and it should not cost very much at all ......being as it is so simple a Caveman can do it

" The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"

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09-04-2009 02:14 PM  8 years agoPost 17
TMoore

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All that is necessary is a 4 pin S Video plug, one RCA Mini Plug jack and two conductor wire. This doesn't violate Phoenix' dongle or anything like that. The JR cable just plugs into the RCA jack.

I've been making these adapters for years to use on the Stylus radios.

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09-05-2009 05:33 AM  8 years agoPost 18
antja

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as it is so easy how about posting a diagram.

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09-05-2009 06:59 AM  8 years agoPost 19
GimbalFan (RIP)

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I am glad I ran into someone who knows everything.
as it is so easy how about posting a diagram.
You know Antja, you're being somewhat rude to one of the most respected members of this forum, an RC guru who's been associated with Airtronics for decades, who helped design the 10G and wrote the heli portion of its manual.

Terry would surely help you further with your sim cable problem if you'd only realize the value of good solid advice and be more polite about asking for it.

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09-05-2009 07:30 AM  8 years agoPost 20
TMoore

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OK, I just tested the SD10G with two sims here in the shop. My Reflex dongle crapped the bed but fortunately Tru Flite didn't let me down. If you are looking at the back of the 4 pin S video plug with the cover off, the signal wire from the center pin on the RCA mini Plug goes to the pin that is second from the right. The ground on the RCA mini plug goes to the S Video shield or ground. That's it, set the SD10G to PPM in the Modulation menu and you are working.

Thanks for the Kudos Pete but to be absolutely fair, I only proofed the manual. One of the most talented writers that I've ever been associated with did the manual and it is already getting good marks for being complete and concise. Thanks Todd.

This is the website that shows the JR plugs but doesn't show the ATX:
http://www.endurance-rc.com/pinouts.html

This pinout diagram shows the pins from the outside of the S Video connector with the shield in place and ready to plug in. At some point in the near future Airtronics will have sim cables available that just plug into any Sim cable that works on a JR but right now, there have been more pressing issues.

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