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HelicopterMain Discussion › Do 3D pilots actually see what the heli is doing the whole time?
09-03-2009 11:05 PM  8 years agoPost 1
mferraz

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I'm just learning myself, but I have a difficult time seeing the orientation of the heli just doing stall turns. I can't even begin to keep up with all the piro work these expierenced 3D guys do...

Are they really connected to the heli the whole time?

How did they learn to fly like that?

I've been practicing for a year now, and am nowhere close to doing any sort of hard 3D under control. Did someone help them or teach them. I'm practicing on the simulator, and try to fly everyday. I have an instructor, although he is not a 3D'er, and lots of books and videos... But, alas, no where near controlling the heli.

I've got 800+ flights and only 3 crashes. Maybe I'm just playing it too safe?

Any help or advice is greatly appriciated... Thanks!

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09-03-2009 11:15 PM  8 years agoPost 2
jbdww

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You pretty much fly ahead of the heli. You go through the motion of the stick movement, knowing what the heli should do. At some point you may have to correct the heli. You should always think of where the heli is going to go and your brain remembers where your heli is going.
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09-03-2009 11:16 PM  8 years agoPost 3
thenewguy

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The simple answer is "Yes". They know what they heli is doing at all time.

You will get to a point where you know exactly what to expect out of your stick inputs. You fly by both at that point, visual and stick inputs. Night flying is a good example.

Chris

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09-03-2009 11:20 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Wingman77

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You go through the motion of the stick movement, knowing what the heli should do.
as an extremely experienced pilot I have to say that that is not true at all, if you are actually good then you learn the extreme opposite you need to "feel" the whole maneuver and think ahead of it at the same time to keep them flowing together.

so yes the extreme pilots can give precise inputs and corrections and have complete control and orientation through any maneuver. if you cannot you will be eating dirt.

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09-03-2009 11:25 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Yug

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Heaps & heaps of practice, devotion and natural ability.
Do 3D pilots actually see what the heli is doing the whole time?
it's more a case of completely knowing how the heli will behave without having to think about it. The mind is not thinking about "stick inputs" but is engaged in focusing on the shape of the manouver and making allowances for stuff like wind. I would liken it to playing a musical instrument or even something as simple as walking. A huge amount is going on when walking if you stop to consider all the various processes required !

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09-03-2009 11:26 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Wingman77

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I would liken it to playing a musical instrument or even something as simple as walking.
that is a very good comparison.

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09-03-2009 11:29 PM  8 years agoPost 7
VooDooX

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honestly i have been practicing piroflips on the sim for like 100 HOURS i can keep it inchs off the ground and control the direction but i still have trouble keeping the ball going in a strait line (pasicly direction of roll even tho i can control it in all directions of roll)and i can only do them blazing fast and yes i know at all times what inputs to give to do things its REALLY just a TOOONNNNNNN of practice

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09-03-2009 11:48 PM  8 years agoPost 8
DougsRC

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it's more a case of completely knowing how the heli will behave without having to think about it. The mind is not thinking about "stick inputs"
+1, I'm NO 3D master but if you have think too much---you will crash-----ton's of practice required, no short-cuts IMO.

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09-04-2009 02:26 AM  8 years agoPost 9
helidevil

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Brunswick, ME

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've got 800+ flights and only 3 crashes. Maybe I'm just playing it too safe?
WWWAAAAYYYYYYY TOO SAFE! you should have a crash at least every 100 flights. not saying you should go out and pile it in intentionally after 100 flights is up

but when i fly 3D, i keep a general view of the heli and orentation. what i look for is where the boom is and if its upside down or normal

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09-04-2009 02:39 AM  8 years agoPost 10
jbdww

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It is like when you learn how to read. At first you pay close attention to every letter in the word. Over time of reading a lot you get to a point where you can laterally read with out look at all of the words in the sentence as you read along.

The biggest key is to put in as much stick time as possible, but you should make goals of what you wont to learn.

Joe

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