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HelicopterAerobatic FAI F3C F3N Contest › 2010 F3C proposed maneuvers
09-02-2009 02:12 PM  8 years agoPost 1
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P Preliminary Schedule
1. Figure M with 2 half pirouettes on all segments
2. Semicircle with pirouette
3. Diamond 3
4. Cuban Eight with half 4 pt rolls
5. Pullback with backward roll
6. Cobra Roll with 3/4 pushed flip
7. Candle with 2 half rolls and a traveling half pushed flip
8. Two opposite 2 point rolls
9. Inside loop with pirouette on top
10. Autorotation with two 90 degree turns

D Finals Schedule
1. Standing 5m Circle with one 360 degree pirouette
2. Inverted Triangle 2
3. Oval 1
4. Cuban Eight with pushed traveling flip on first 45 degree descent
5. Pullback with 3 half loops and two 180 pirouettes
6. Cobra Roll with pirouette
7. Two loops with half roll at the top (ying-yang)
8. Horizontal traveling pushed flip
9. Vertical 540 pushed traveling pushed flip
10. S autorotation

All are doable but in D4, it's NOT a natural move to go full positive pitch while traveling at the ground inverted at 75 mph. I guess i need to start to practice now.
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09-02-2009 02:22 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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Those are very challenging maneuvers. I wonder how many pilots will stop using full bodies. I sure have plenty of practice to do for the next season.

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09-02-2009 03:42 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Fuselages

I certainly will not be using a fuselage in the near future. If I get where I am comfortable with the maneuvers, I probably will use one. I was the same with with the FigureM with 540s and the Eight with full roll, once I got used to them, the fuselage was a plus.
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09-02-2009 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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Pullback with backward roll
From the draft it looks like theres no more reverse vertical drop to transition to the horizontal. Has anyone tried that maneuver yet?

Frederick,

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09-02-2009 04:57 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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Yup

There is NO vertical drop. It's a backwards 1/4 flip, then a backwards roll, then another 1/4 backwards flip to vertical and straight down to exit altitude. I have done it, not very pretty yet but I get through it.
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09-03-2009 01:35 AM  8 years agoPost 6
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Wow!!

i also saw another set of proposed Schedule P maneuvers which were a little different....hmmm I wonder when the official set of maneuvers will be posted so we can enjoy the challenge of the new maneuvers that will count......

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09-03-2009 01:44 AM  8 years agoPost 7
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Proposed schedules

I also have seen four proposals but this one came through two days ago so I think it is the latest.
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09-03-2009 02:51 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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It is not clear just with the diagrams of these. For example, I am not sure whether in P9, the model should do a stationary pirouette or a travelling pirouette.

I seen Kobayashi did a demo with the latter.

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09-03-2009 09:58 AM  8 years agoPost 9
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The piro over the top of the loop should be traveling yes. Of course this will be a very debateable subject because depending on how fast your piro rate is will determine if the piro actually gets spread over the top of the loop or is just a quick zip around on top. It's a nice manuever in my humble opinion, you can really show some flair if you get it right, especially spreading the piro over a long distance over the top.

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09-03-2009 11:12 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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My question is when the heli travelled to the top, it is inverted but should it come to a complete stop before piro?

If you do a travelling piro, then the loop is not a circle, yes?

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09-03-2009 11:21 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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No you can not come to a stop. The heli must keep moving while executing the piro. The loop will also stay round. Just like you would execute a piro loop except you will only do one piro over the top of the loop, while moving, while keeping the loop round.

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09-03-2009 09:11 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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Hello,

About D4, check this video out, you can see that it's possible with fuselage and speed :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSmP6JGcSk

About P5, Pullback with backward roll : There is NO 1/4 of loops. You pull up to a vertical ascent. When the model stops, you perform a 1/4 of pushed travelling flip. It looks like the old pullback that we had some years ago but with a roll in the middle.

About P9 : Spacey is right, The piro path must be included in the loop path. It is not a half loop - travellling piro - half loop.

Laurent

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09-04-2009 12:33 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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D4

yes, you can do D4 with a fuselage, but I think I'll wait until I have much more experience before I try it. I certainly would have done the P5 maneuver wrong so thanks for correcting that. I will edit my post for clarity. It was nice meeting you guys at the WCs, your models were amazing. I wish you had been able to do a demo flight at the end so we all could have seen the new maneuvers. The video looks good.
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09-04-2009 01:55 AM  8 years agoPost 14
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P5

Without the 1/4 loop would is there be enough speed to do the backward roll axially? Also would that mean pitch for acceleration across?

A demo flight would have been good.

Frederick,

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09-04-2009 09:52 AM  8 years agoPost 15
rotoboy

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P5
Without the 1/4 loop would is there be enough speed to do the backward roll axially? Also would that mean pitch for acceleration across?
Yes, once your model is stopped nose up, you give a strong positive picth acceleration. That is enough to do the 1/4 flip and the roll. The main difficulty to manage the speed and the straight line. Not easy but challenging!

About demo flight during W.C., Traditionally Hans Emennegger, Swiss pilot do the schedule at the end of the W.C. I saw him practicing these schedules and I was convinced that he planed to do the demo after finals flights... too bad.

Laurent

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09-04-2009 01:07 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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Practice

I plan on taking a model out this weekend and trying to get through each of the new maneuvers. I fully expect some of them to be ugly (maybe even fugly) but I don't expect to see the "OH MY GOD!!" reaction that happened to me on the Figure M and Eight with full rolls in the 2009 schedules the first time I tried those. D4 and D5 will be a challenge but I don't think they will cause a crash. P9 will not be shaped very well but I've done it for 3D demos for years. I used to do D7 a few years ago so it will be interesting to get it back in shape. On D6, I have to figure out how to get the model stopped to do a stationary pirouette. Sounds like fun and I'm looking forward to it.
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09-06-2009 01:01 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Whew!

I went through all the new maneuvers yesterday. Hovering will take some practice but is doable. The aerobatics is another story. I got through everything but almost none of it is contest presentable. The biggest surprises for me were the vertical candles, I had an awful time holding the vertical line during the flips. The traveling flip didn't actually look too bad. The eight with the flip, well I was right. I got through it but giving full positive pitch while flying inverted pointed at the ground is not a natural act.
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09-06-2009 03:14 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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Hi...just wanted to clarify P4....so its 4 points to the 1st half roll for the 1st downline....and another 4 points on the 2nd half roll on the exit down line...Is that right?

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09-06-2009 07:44 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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No, JPN, it' a half 4 point roll. So it's only 2 points. You just have to make a traditional cuban 8 but with an hesitation on the knife edges of the rolls (90°).

Laurent

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09-07-2009 11:25 AM  8 years agoPost 20
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Thanks for the reply rotoboy...I was kind of worried making 4points to a half roll.....

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