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09-01-2009 10:18 PM  8 years agoPost 1
loop boy

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Hi

Have ordered the metal rjx tail blade grip complete assembly for my pantera,the add says its for the vibe has anyone else got this on there pantera heli.

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09-01-2009 10:48 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Mr.HillBilly

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Yep I have a set. They work great, the tail shaft you get is about .060" longer so if you like tail use it. Other than that they are a direct swap out.

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09-02-2009 04:00 AM  8 years agoPost 3
billm

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RJX has some good stuff.
I have flown Rustys stuff without a problem on my Tigers.
Once JB came out with the Pantera I did not need to add the bling.
Back to stock less the swash upgrade that is the bling that JB offers.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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09-02-2009 03:59 PM  8 years agoPost 4
MartyH

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Yes, I have the RJX grips too. I was victim of the "we've never had an issue with the tail grip" tail grips TWICE! I do have the upgraded Audacity tail grips but have never put them on. Probably never will. I wish I would have known about the tail grip non-issue much sooner. Would have saved me a helicopter and a rebuild. I highly recommend the upgraded grips or a different tail entirely like the RJX.

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09-02-2009 10:52 PM  8 years agoPost 5
loop boy

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Hi

Thanks guys for the reply, they will go on as soon as they arrive,very sorry to hear about your tail failure martyh its one of the hardest things really when something goes wrong and its not due to pilot error(for a change) and the result is catastrophic.Luckly ive had no issue up till now and have on occasion recently pushed her quiet hard but seems my early action will prevent me suffering the same fate!!

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09-03-2009 03:15 AM  8 years agoPost 6
billm

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Marty,
just to let you know. The upgraded tail stuff has been flying well for over two years on several ships. No problems on this end.

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09-09-2009 11:20 AM  8 years agoPost 7
MartyH

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Yep I know but I lost Panteras because of Audacity tail grips. I'm a little gunshy.

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09-10-2009 03:48 AM  8 years agoPost 8
billm

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Marty,
Been there. I also was a chicken with the first Tiger tail mod.
I did bail and went to a century tail config. Scared the S$tt out of me when the tail exploded.
Folks, If your tail exploded it's the build and not the parts.
PLEASE DON"T REEF ON THE BOLT.
Been flying the pantera stock tail for several years now without a problem. Thats 2+ cases of fuel in a year times four panteras.
Do the math... 8 cases a year total flight time without a tail problem.
comments.

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09-10-2009 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 9
loop boy

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Hi all

Its all pretty subjective gents, and most are gonna go with personal experience i suppose(i now i do),so the rjx is on the tail and ill never now if she would have ever thrown a tail or not but more to the point doing the second set of tick tocks my tail kicked out badly, got her down to find my tail output shaft bent!!So on we go....

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09-11-2009 01:52 AM  8 years agoPost 10
ProModeler

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This is nuts! Despite your being in the UK and having a separate support mechanism from us stateside, it appears you're not getting help and support. Since the buck ultimately stops with me regardless of subordinate steps, please contact me directly and I will try to help you figure out what's going on. We have thousands upon thousands of Panteras (and Tigers for that matter) using the very same output shaft and tail design as the UK model stateside without issue.

Look, basically, the questions are going to center on either wear in the tail case supporting the bearing for the output shaft, or hidden crash damage to the tail case. Why? Because either way, the essential question is . . . can the shaft displace, or move laterally as it is rotating?

If the answer is in the negative, I am baffled, but obviously "something" is going on. Naturally, my being stateside makes it awkward to aid you in the UK, to say nothing of there being a distinct 'system' for UK sales/support via J. Perkins. Nevertheless, first things first, let's do it my way, e.g. get your issue sorted out and worry about pointing fingers later.

Usual hours for me are M-F 10-6 Eastern, and remember, I am GMT -5. Outside these hours it's hit or miss. if I'm not available when you call, leave me a message and I will return your phone call despite where you live. Not only will we get to the bottom of this, but I can even understand your brand of English fairly well so we shouldn't have too many communication misfires <g>.

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09-11-2009 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 11
billm

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Good post JB.
I would wonder if the tail thrust bearings are backwards, or maybe the nut is too tight. Thats how customer support works. I bow before your efforts to help a pilot in need. Nothing like a one on one phone call to clear things up. I look forward to both of your findings and the fix.

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09-11-2009 10:13 PM  8 years agoPost 12
loop boy

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Hi Jb

This is my support system!!You guys thank goodness as perkins no longer stocks any panteras or any parts at all they sold all the spares to galaxy models,i promise you there is no wear on the bearings-tail out put shaft bearing- and they are in the correct way ie thrust bearings and nuts are fine), this has been checked.i have tinkered with my tail today and can find no clear indication of play(she has not gone in at all so no crash damage).So the new tail output shaft is back and we will see again tommorrow what happens.Jb i dont mind things going wrong as long as i can understand the issue and resolve accordingly mechanical or otherwise but this is one big mystery to me.There is one issue that you mention and that is the support,there is none what so ever!!when i first got my kit there were some machining issues with the fan hub, the holes would not line up with the clutch but when going back to my hobby shop was told, sorry perkins has no spares as they have sold them all, so at my own cost had to source the new hub(service with a smile hey, ive spent £3600 at this shop)Anyway enough of that i can get spares from galaxy so at least ive got that assurance for now and my brother lives state side so when i visit him i might just get myself a trolley full of spares.This will not deter me in any way from continuing to fly and rate the ship.I think im the only one in licolnshire with one so im unique
Your time and concern is greatly appreciated and will give you a bel soon ,as for my english, i was born in south africa so we will get on fine
kind regards all(will let all now how tommorrow turns out and jb if you want to see who your talking too, take a look at my gallery allways nice to put a face to a voice)

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09-11-2009 10:38 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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BEFORE FLYING AGAIN . . . disassemble the tail rotor hub. Examine the threads and the shaft halves. Ensure there's no possibility of threads being poorly formed, which would allow the nut to back off, which in turn would permit the grp to run out unacceptably, e.g. operating off center - understand?

By the way, you can take the hub assembly (before hand) and mount it to a tail output shaft, and chuck it up in a drill (or whatever you have handy). Spin it up as fast as you can (sans blades) and see how it feels vibration-wise. It should be perfectly smooth. Moreover, very few drills will exceed 4800 RPM and a tail runs about 10k RPMs so no worries on that score.

Anyway, let's see what could be off with this hub (possibly). Like I said, I'd like to get things going right. Finally, if it comes to it, I can supply parts direct UK, so no worries on that score.


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09-12-2009 12:41 AM  8 years agoPost 14
loop boy

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hi jb

ive just found some ever so slight play in the shaft if you hold the tail grips and push foward and backwards there is definitly some play very very small, with the tail output shaft going twice its proberbaly worn the seat were the bearing sits, one cant see the wear but im thinking that the second bearing has a seating issue wich is minimal but when stressed is allowing horozontal movement and bang,so ill replace the casing and just in case the bearings although they look fine,will also follow previouse advice yes i do understand thanks i have a spare hub as well so ill replace that too if that looks like its run out is off

Thanks Jb and if those parts are an issue ill contact you asap
WILL NOT FLY TILL RESOLVED...
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09-12-2009 08:53 AM  8 years agoPost 15
loop boy

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Hi jb

Its the bloody bearing, it has some slight wear on one of the sides it only allows play vertically and none horozontally so when you pull the hub up and down no problem but soon as you pull fowards and backwards there it is, its allowing the output shaft to move in the bearing its only marginal but at full tilt and some force shes running out and blowing,only took me a day, till 3 in the morining to figure it out,so ill get some bearings ordered today or if anyone has any lying around...

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09-12-2009 01:25 PM  8 years agoPost 16
loop boy

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Hi jb

Ive asked my brother to get the bearings for me as there are NONE availible here in the uk,he will phone you today to order them for me as he is in the states.

thanks once again

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