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09-01-2009 04:59 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Ale_rozzirrNovice - La Plata, Buenos Aires - Argentina - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

starter Heli choice

Hi, Im novice, actually has a Walkera 1#B electric tail wich is driving me crazy, burning motors. I woulkd like to get a Trex 450 Copter X or a Belt CP, I like the first since many people told me it’s a great stable machine, but also consider a Belt CP due I see it’s a very popular machine, Since I live in Argentina and these things arent very popular here, availabilty and price of parts they are a great point to have in mind. Well any input will be welcomed, thanks for them in advance. Alex

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09-02-2009 06:55 AM  8 years agoPost 2
BOB WHO?

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Get Mini Titan E325 or Align Trex 450. If you don't have the money, wait until you can afford one. These fly better, crash better, re-build easier, well worth the extra expense. It'll be a long time from now that you'll ever need to upgrade. I am someone who did it the other way, that was getting the cheap stuff first. Never would do that again. This is just one opinion. There are many others.

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09-02-2009 12:29 PM  8 years agoPost 3
shizack

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The guy Horton heard: This is just one opinion. There are many others.
...and this is one of the others .

Unless you know someone who can help you set up,test, and learn to fly one of those fancy CCPM birds, I would suggest starting a bit smaller, simpler, and probably cheaper.

I can personally attest to the fact that a TREX 450 is a wonderful bird, but believe me, it takes HOURS, if not DAYS, of meticulous setup to get it right.

That being said, would you mind answering some questions? Your answers will help us suggest a heli for you. Hopefully these won't insult you.

Do you know of someone who has experience with CP helis who can in-person help you get it going?

Do you have at least a pretty good idea of how the CCPM mechanics work?

Can you fly the Walkera fairly well, like hovering tail-in and side-in at least?

What is the pitch range on your Walkera, and what is your blade pitch at center stick?

Do you have the necessary tools for a larger bird? At least a pitch gauge, set of hex wrenches, and something to use to balance blades?

Finally, do you want to fly soon, or can you stand having the heli sit on the bench for a few days 'til it's just right?

Help us help you find the right heli so you can end up as addicted and broke as we are. Misery loves company, even when it's blissful misery.

A soul in tension is learning to fly

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09-02-2009 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Ale_rozzirrNovice - La Plata, Buenos Aires - Argentina - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Copter 450 or Belt CP

Unless you know someone who can help you set up,test, and learn to fly one of those fancy CCPM birds, I would suggest starting a bit smaller, simpler, and probably cheaper.

I was thinking on those models since many people in other forum told about 450 as very stable machine, when bought my walkera I kept in mind not starting with a very expensive and complicated machine to learn on, but this stupid walkera burns everithing I wire on it!!

I can personally attest to the fact that a TREX 450 is a wonderful bird, but believe me, it takes HOURS, if not DAYS, of meticulous setup to get it right.

Love mechanics, and love to adjust like a real machine, what another thing would will do with my too much cleaned fingers!!

That being said, would you mind answering some questions? Your answers will help us suggest a heli for you. Hopefully these won't insult you.

please!! this is the serious kind of help needing.

Do you know of someone who has experience with CP helis who can in-person help you get it going?

NO, they arent very popular here, and extremely expensives (would be better idea stay with my old planes!!)

Do you have at least a pretty good idea of how the CCPM mechanics work?

Yes, but some doubts about flybar giroscopic effect on main blades pitch, flybar is a gisoscope?

Can you fly the Walkera fairly well, like hovering tail-in and side-in at least?

Never flew more than 1 minute!!! it burned all motors and ESC I wired, on last saturday I can fly for 2 or 3 minutes in my back yard, but sudennly lost tail control, burned little motor... very frustrating!! I'm tired about repair this machine

What is the pitch range on your Walkera, and what is your blade pitch at center stick?

It's about -8 to +8 aprox, I have tool but not sure on how to adjust, now I bought a new pitch gauge wich hang from blade, I think it has a better reading.

Do you have the necessary tools for a larger bird? At least a pitch gauge, set of hex wrenches, and something to use to balance blades?

Yes, and I have a mini electronic wight gauge for blades, I also check my blades, and their GC, they are perfect. (dont have a specially designed balancer yet)

Finally, do you want to fly soon, or can you stand having the heli sit on the bench for a few days 'til it's just right?

love to be at the bench (Wife dont't share!!) but ansious to stop wasting time and money and start to work on a bird wich can fly!!!

What do you think about spare parts costs on those 340 o Belt CP helis? I would need to get with the Heli some spare set.

thanks a lot folks!!

Help us help you find the right heli so you can end up as addicted and broke as we are. Misery loves company, even when it's blissful misery.

Quit cryin' and start flyin'!

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09-02-2009 06:12 PM  8 years agoPost 5
BOB WHO?

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Nothing about this hobby is easy to learn. Sounds like you don't have the local support shizack was asking about. You have to really want to fly helis to get past the first year or so, especially in your situation. These guys here (in this forum) will help you with whatever bird you get. I still maintain my original opinion that a better quality product is best to start with. It is no easier, and maybe even more difficult, to set up a clone Trex or Belt CP than a high quality model like I mentioned earlier not to mention the support from the mfgs which is also better. In fact I never could get the Belt CP to fly like a Trex 450 and I know how to build and repair them. The basic concepts are exactly the same in all 450s. You are probably in the right forum, just get a premium product like every one of the guys around here have done.

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09-03-2009 12:30 AM  8 years agoPost 6
blade blaster

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Hi Alex and welcome to this great hobby! I agree with Bob,get something with a good track record and good parts support,you'll be glad in the long run.Try to find someone close to you also interested.If you can't, i strongly suggest your first move would be to get a sim.This will help you more than anything getting started.

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09-03-2009 01:50 AM  8 years agoPost 7
BOB WHO?

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Good advice Blade Blaster, I agree.

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09-03-2009 12:09 PM  8 years agoPost 8
shizack

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Get some training gear, no matter what heli you get. This, combined with patience and sim time, will save you much money.

A soul in tension is learning to fly

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09-03-2009 02:35 PM  8 years agoPost 9
BOB WHO?

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More good advice.

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09-04-2009 03:51 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Ale_rozzi

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SIM

Any suggestion on where to download a SIM software, last night I was trying to wire radio to laptop, Walkera radio connect via Audio port, so I need drivers or something like, downloaded PPJoy but I think it only works on parallel port, any Walkera user tip?

thanks in advance

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09-04-2009 04:36 PM  8 years agoPost 11
shizack

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You also need SmartPropo Plus. That translates the sound card input into signals that PPJoy can read. Then you can use your TX with your PC's sound card.

I don't know the web address, but I think I have a copy on my hard drive. I can email it to you.

However, I would suggest getting the Esky 0905A USB TX. Costs about $20 and comes with FMS simulator. It's specifically for sims and works great. That's what I use with HeliSimRC and Clearview.

Clearview is awesome for the price - $40 - and HeliSim is not too shabby either, and it's free. FMS is fun, but the physics and flight characteristics are FAR from accurate.

A soul in tension is learning to fly

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09-04-2009 04:55 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Ale_rozzi

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SIM

would appreciatte if you can send me the propo plus to: anrozzid@ypf.com

thanks for your attention!!

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09-04-2009 06:08 PM  8 years agoPost 13
shizack

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You have mail.

A soul in tension is learning to fly

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09-04-2009 06:12 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Ale_rozzi

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sim

TXS, will check for it

txs again

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