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HelicopterSynergy R/COther › SE parts....just bling or worth the upgrade?
09-01-2009 03:50 PM  8 years agoPost 1
GScott

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I'm back in the Synergy family. My previous N9's always topped 11 pounds but I would like to keep this one as light as possible without going the FBH route. I'm hoping to get it around 10.25 or 10.5 pounds. I've been browsing the typical vendors and like the look of some of the SE parts but don't want to replace functional stock parts with SE stuff if the heli ends up being heavier.

Here is my plan so far:

-SE main grips. Not as flashy as the Hyper ones but I don't like the carbon arms. Also read these can be upgraded to FBL.

-SE bell cranks. Not something I would normally replace but read they are lighter than stock.

-Quick UK boom clamp
-Thinner tail fin if one can be found
-SE inner motor mount. Heavier than stock but worth it from what I remember on previous N9's.

Are there any other SE parts that are worth considering or that weigh less than stock?

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09-01-2009 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 2
inkspot1967

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Cranston Ri

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-SE main grips. Not as flashy as the Hyper ones but I don't like the carbon arms. Also read these can be upgraded to FBL.
yes they can
-SE bell cranks. Not something I would normally replace but read they are lighter than stock.
yes they are lighter
-Quick UK boom clamp
lighter
-Thinner tail fin if one can be found
-SE inner motor mount. Heavier than stock but worth it from what I remember on previous N9's.
not sure about these
Are there any other SE parts that are worth considering or that weigh less than stock?
se tail hub upgrade
se motor mounts
hyperhub

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09-01-2009 04:50 PM  8 years agoPost 3
thenewguy

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Corvallis, Oregon Where there is liquid sunshine!

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What motor are you going to run? I run the O.S. HZ with stock motor mount and no vibration. The SE motor mounts are heavy. Also dump the 3 heavy frame spacers. Use normal spacers, this will also cut down on weight.

My heli came in at 10.9 lbs. I could have made it lighter if I changed some of my electronics.

There are more pics in my gallery.

Chris

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09-01-2009 05:08 PM  8 years agoPost 4
cdrking

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Seattle

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I have one N9 with the SE center mount and the SE side mounts and they are heavy compared to the stock setup. I also have the center engine mount in my other N9 with the stock side mounts. These machines both have HZ's in them. I would suggest just running the stock setup just for weight. I can't comment of the effectiveness of the center engine block because I have never taken it off and used the center engine block with the HZ engines. The SZ was the big killer because of vibs.

Also the stock washout arms are lighter than the Hyper arms. The Hyper bearing blocks are lighter than the plastic ones. Hard to believe but they are.

The Hyper hub is lighter than the SE hub.

One note about removing the cross braces as thenewguy mentioned. Botos removed them and started breaking some bolts, not sure which ones but he was breaking them. BUT, I don't think many of us fly like he does so you'll probably be fine removing them. I don't like the looks of the aluminum spacers but they trim the weight for sure.

Ink,

Do you have any pictures of converting the SE grips for FBL use?

Jeff

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09-01-2009 05:14 PM  8 years agoPost 5
inkspot1967

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i dont have any pics but carl told me how to do it but i cant remember exactly how. i think all you need is the fbh pitch arms and some sort of washer/spacer. you may want to pm him to confirm it.

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09-01-2009 05:24 PM  8 years agoPost 6
thenewguy

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Jeff is correct on what Botos said about the spacers. I was standing next to Jeff when Matt said it. I am no where close to the pilot Matt Botos is, so it does not seem to be a issue with my heli.

Chris

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09-01-2009 05:36 PM  8 years agoPost 7
cdrking

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Seattle

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Keep in mind also that Chris's heli is so clean that he probably keeps at least 8 ounces off it by keeping all the dirt away.

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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09-01-2009 05:38 PM  8 years agoPost 8
thenewguy

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I just cleaned it last night, how did you know.

Really I did!

Chris

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09-01-2009 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Entityofme1

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Birmingham, AL.

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-The metal blade grips are definately a must in my opinion be them hyper or SE. This machine is powerful and needs them.

-The hyper/ SE hub will make things so much easier so it's worth it.

-The SE tail hub is also worth it for peace of mind knowing that the bolts will not sheer off in flight.

-The hyper collar works so much better than the crumby stock collar

- Things in my opinion that are not absolutely necessary are: the SE engine blocks, the SE center motor mount, the hyper/SE guide, SE/hyper tail grips, the hyper arms(although they are nice and easy to install), the SE bell-cranks, the hyper-bar, and lastly the hyper drive ( However,I wence at the thought of installing the stock torque tube).

Some of these things as I mentioned are necessary and others are not but some of them I feel make the heli fly alot better such as the hyper-bar. The heli still flies on rails with it and cyclic speed is improved including the option of choosing from many different paddles that suit your flying style.

Currently I'm running the FBH frames and at first felt the heli would lose some of it's speed, momentum, and precision which at times many attributed to the extra weight it carried over other machines. It still flies fantastic and has a significant amount of extra pop. I recommend the FBH frames as they are a great upgrade and the machining is excellent.

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09-02-2009 03:52 AM  8 years agoPost 10
baddynergy

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sierra madre, ca- usa

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Stock engine mount 30g
SE engine mount 47g.... my YSSRs are super smooth, so not needed IMHO

stock mainbearing blocks 32g
FBH main blocks 38g worth the weight

quick UK boom clamp ALOT lighter..really helps with keeping the front weight down

SE side engine mounts almost double the weight of stock, unneeded IMHO, but they look GOOD. BTW there is someone out there that is machining these down to weigh less than stock..

SE bellcranks IIRC are 8g heavier the stock but they look GOOD

FBH carbon tailfin 25g
stock g10 fin 42g
no need for the horizontal

If you want to know the weights of anything else let me know the part.

Even with alot of the upgraded parts my FBH FBL N9 weighs in at 10.3lbs with 1/4tank of fuel.
I am in the process of finishing my second FBH N9 and it should be right around 10.4lbs with a flybar.. it looks very spartan..lol

The only really needed upgrade is the hyperhub. Everything else is for ease of maintainance. The SE tail hub is also a great upgrade.

**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**

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09-02-2009 02:39 PM  8 years agoPost 11
GScott

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I thought I read a post somewhere that showed the SE bellcranks were actually lighter than the stock plastic. I plan to run the OS HZ but I think I will still go with the SE center engine mount. I seem to remember it also added some strength to the center of the frames. The heli I picked up already has all the Hyper parts minus the tail grips. I also plan to switch to a 4mm flybar using the Hyperbar kit.

I really like the FBH stuff but it seems like the parts are never in stock. That could be an issue after the inevitable dirt nap.

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09-02-2009 02:41 PM  8 years agoPost 12
inkspot1967

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wow i was told the se parts were lighter....

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09-02-2009 02:51 PM  8 years agoPost 13
inkspot1967

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Cranston Ri

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heres my plan on my synergy im getting built right now. im not going for the lightest synergy but the smoothest flying one.

i got a tyler head also for when i go flybarless on it soon thats a definately being done later on.

FBH frames
se bell cranks
se motor mounts
se tail hub upgrade kit
hyperhub
hyperbar
hyperdrive
hyper collar
hyperguide

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09-02-2009 07:24 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Bart B

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chicago illinois

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Dude that's gonna be a nice ass model

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09-02-2009 07:30 PM  8 years agoPost 15
inkspot1967

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Cranston Ri

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yeah i know, im getting most of the metal parts deanodized now and polished up. then its build time.....

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