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09-02-2009 07:00 PM  8 years agoPost 61
PIM450

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First off I would like to say that if Flying Brian is talking about MVRCC at Otterbein Ohio then we have issues. I am the president of MVRCC and he is making no sense at all. To join and fly Heli's at our field you need the following period.

AMA Membership
CLub Membership ( which is just dues, and proof of AMA)
Not unlike most clubs safety policies we treat Heli's like Fixed wing. If you have no idea how to fly one we offer Inspectors and trainers to buddy box with you until you can safely hover. at that time you will be allowed to practice in the Heli area until you are signed off to level 2. Level 2 is just proving to the ANY inspector or trainer that you can safely fly your heli and control it. at that time forward you have as much run of the main runway (except hover practice as any fixed wing does. No one ever flies your heli or plane unless you ask someone to do it for help. You could come over and join our club, and be signed off that same night to fly at will. I am not sure where this person claims to get there information but they are sadly way off base.

Mike Sparrow
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09-02-2009 07:04 PM  8 years agoPost 62
ErichF

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From the horse's mouth...and just as I suspected in my first post.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mike.

Erich

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09-02-2009 07:06 PM  8 years agoPost 63
GyroFreak

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Flying someone else's setup can be a problem if the transmitter modes are not the same (Mode 1,2,3,4) and all the rates and flying modes/rates will be different.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-02-2009 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 64
turbo35

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Ok ..... now that "Flying Brian" has gotten the RR troops all up in arms and bashing a RC Club that they know nothing about, let me set the record straight! I am a board member of http://www.MVRCC.org which is the club that "Flying Brian" is thinking about joining. I am also one of the two Heli inspectors that signs people off as a new heli pilot. We require everyone MUST be an AMA member(even as a guest pilot), and you have one of the Heli inspectors do a static PRE-FLIGHT check on the condition and setup of your bird for safety. We then ask the new pilot to demonstrate his skills by flying some basic hovering, forward flight, take off and landing skills. NO where do we require any of our experienced heli pilot members to fly anyone else's helicopter !!! We have done plenty of maiden flights for new heli pilots that have ASKED us to TEST FLY their heli for them and make sure everything is acceptable and safe.

Im not sure who "Flying Brian" was talking to at our club but they mis-quoted him information about our club rules and what has to happen when a new pilot joins.

Flying Brian,

If you were that concerned about the club heli requirement info you were getting why didn't you ask one of the officers about our rules or ask who the heli inspector's are so you can talk directly to them about your questions? Are rules for heli flying are very simple:

1. All helicopter pilots must follow the same flight training and equipment inspection rules as fixed wing pilots.2. All helicopter pilots practicing hovering and basic forward flight must stay in the helicopter hovering area at the south end of our field. All pilots in this area must hover and fly at a safe distance beyond the landing pads, over the planted fields and NOT fly out over thesouth end of the paved runway.3. Pilots that are signed off at Level 2 and capable of flying circuits or mild 3D may fly on the flight line with the fixed wing aircraft.4. Flying out over the parking area or the pit area is prohibited.5. All helicopter pilots must have an updated MVRCC membership card that shows their helicopter status.

This could have all been avoided if you would have asked the right questions to the right people. Our goal as in any RC club is to "Be Safe and Have Fun" I hope this clears up any unanswered questions you may have about heli sign-off at MVRCC.

If you need to be signed off in the near future please contact me through our website contact info or ask someone to point out who the two heli inspectors are for the club. There are only two inspectors that can sign you off and neither of us usually fly with the saturday morning group.

Ron Guiliano
Helicopter Inspector MVRCC

BEAM TEAM USA

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09-02-2009 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 65
PIM450

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Not Flaming

Brian,

I am also not trying to flame you, I am sorry you were given the wrong information by some fools. Please feel free to look us up on the internet at http://www.MVRCC.org, contact us or set up a meeting with myself and I can explain how we do thing out there. We are Heli friendly and I actually try to fly one myself, though not very well.

But I am sure everyone that know Helis would agree that a person coming out with a 600 Nitro and just flying it without some set up and a buddy box would probably destroy there ride and very possibly hit something or worse. Our safety policies I am sure meet most other clubs. We are a approx 200 member club and do have to watch things when there are a bunch of people around.

Sincerely

Mike Sparrow

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09-02-2009 07:25 PM  8 years agoPost 66
turbo35

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[quote]We are Heli friendly and I actually try to fly one myself, though not very well.

I would have to agree with that statement ....
especially the "Not very well" part! LOL

See ya later this week brother

BEAM TEAM USA

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09-02-2009 07:28 PM  8 years agoPost 67
GyroFreak

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Well that cleared up things. Sounds like a good policy to me.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-02-2009 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 68
TachyonDriver

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Just as I hoped - a misunderstanding!

Tach.

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09-02-2009 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 69
Rick_H

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Boulder City, Nevada

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Sounds to me like some of the guys at the club were having some fun at Flying Brian's expense and it got a little out of hand here on RunRyder. I hope the Officers at the Club in question don't take it out on him as he stated a couple of times he was not trying to bash the club.

If it was a Club I was as Officer at I would want to have a one on one talk with the person who gave him this bogus information.

Rick

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09-02-2009 09:44 PM  8 years agoPost 70
turbo35

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You can bet we will be searching for the source of this bad info and deal with it internally. As for "Flying Brian" he is always welcome to join our club and be a part of the strong RC community we share here in Southern Ohio. I will also extend a welcome to anyone traveling for business or pleasure to contact one of the listed officers on our website and join us as a guest flyer anytime. Our list of events is posted on our website and we would be happy to see new faces especially for our Heli-Flyin!

Ron Guiliano
MVRCC Heli Inspector
http://www.MVRCC.org

BEAM TEAM USA

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09-03-2009 03:20 PM  8 years agoPost 71
Lamar Cooley

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Club rules

To All,
This ( MVRCC )is a club I personally would be pround to be a member of. Next "off site" round of your favorite beverage on me. Come on down to southeast Louisiana and collect it anytime.
Regards to all


Here when wanted.
There when needed.
Everywhere when looked for.

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09-03-2009 03:52 PM  8 years agoPost 72
Thumpernator

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Next "off site" round of your favorite beverage on me.
Does that include a spread of Cajun delicacies? Whooooo Yaaaaa!!

Dave
I keep on thinking, but nothing's happening. Knuk, Knuk, Knuk

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09-03-2009 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 73
Flying Brian

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There are some that seem to think Im the one that misunderstood, and that is just not the case.

I showed up ast wed morning, 2 older gents were flying planes. I made friends quikly by acting completly interested in there gear. I mentiond that I would like to fly today, and I was told by the one gent that I had to fill out paperwork and a member had to stay with me to fly as a guest.

While this conversation was going on, his friend showed up, and started get his gear ready for flight and noticed smoke, I ran to the scene and ripped the battery out of the plane, and got it clear of the site.

He also agreed with his friend stating I could not fly as a guest this day.

Another member showed up a little later and said I could fly, but that I had to make it quik, as he was only staying for a few minutes. I decided to wait. As we got to talking, he also told me " I needed to complete a wed night training course, have a visual, inspection, and that a experienced helicopter pilot would need to fly my heli to sign off.

He went on to tell me somone crashed into the building awhile back as they was new, and this rule was implimented.

And for the record, I never once bashed any club, as I tried to prevent this from happning. I was only interested knowing if any other clubs had these sort of rules. Thats all.

I would like to hook up with some good pilots soon, as old man winter is right around the corner, and Im dying to fly at a real site. But the huge double diamond baseball field directly in front of my house in Kings Mills is very efficient as well, and in waking distance.

"I just don't Listen" "

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09-03-2009 06:11 PM  8 years agoPost 74
Brokenlink

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Did you happen to get the names of these guys? Talk to the President of the club about it.You are getting something stirred up in the club before even joining,someone is not tellin the truth.

Jamie Griffith

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09-03-2009 06:15 PM  8 years agoPost 75
dvdking

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Yes Brian old man winter is right around the corner so get all the flying in you can before the cold is here

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09-03-2009 06:21 PM  8 years agoPost 76
Havoc

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Ky.

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It wouldn't shock me if some club members don't understand the rules for joining their club and pass along bad information. We have around 130 members and the grapevine of information is less than perfect. We had one airplane guy tell a LHS that the helicopter guys took over the field on the weekends. So the LHS starts telling the new guys not to come out on the weekends because that is for helicopters . Now true we sometimes equal the number of airplane guys. On bad weather days, we may be the only people there. But overall, it's the same weekend ratio that has always been there and we all get along well.

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09-03-2009 06:30 PM  8 years agoPost 77
rotormonkey

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Ottawa, ON - Canada

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Agreed with Havoc. In my club for the longest time nobody could agree one what was required of heli pilots. Mostly because the CFI was a planker that didn't know ANYTHING about helis, so he wanted the same requirements for helis as there were for planes.

That included rudder only turns w/ no aileron input (so I heard)
and deadstick landings done when the instructor tells you to flip the switch.

Rudder turns are impossible with a heli, and autoing is something most don't learn for quite a while. So with that in mind, we (the instructors) were supposed to hover over the shoulder of "newbies" that could fly just fine until they were comfortable doing the impossible, and autoing when *I* say.

Last year I started a revolt over these silly policies, and we had it ammended. We now have a written "wings program" from the MAAC site that we're going to follow.

I'm sure if you ask some guys in the club they'll still say heli guys have to deadstick and do rudder turns though..

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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09-03-2009 08:11 PM  8 years agoPost 78
Thumpernator

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Nice Site

Just went to the MVRCC website. That is a real nice field. I'm just wondering if that large building has a bathroom, because it looks like there's also a Port-a-potty on the field.

Mike S., just curious as to why your Chapter limits the number of members to 200?

Reading over the website, it looks like you guys run a real safe Chapter. I like the fact that you have Training Nights and that you DO require some competency to fly alone. I know of some Chapters that could use a few more rules to keep things safe, and I'm not talking about just one type of aircraft.

I'll bet this Thread is a topic of discussion tonight at their Board Meeting.

Dave
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09-04-2009 12:15 AM  8 years agoPost 79
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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I'm not a member of AMA or any club.
Care if I ask some questions?

Dues.Why?What do they go to pay for?

Equipment inspections.Who says the guy doing the inspections knows any more than me?Or even as much for that matter?What are the inspectors qualifications?He bought a card online?

I've seen mention of others flying your stuff.What kind of idiot would allow that and who would even think of something like that?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-04-2009 12:26 AM  8 years agoPost 80
ErichF

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You really have to ask what dues are for? Where do you think all the stuff at a field like THIS comes from? The flying field fairy?

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