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09-01-2009 03:35 AM  8 years agoPost 1
marcw

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which one is it? Looks earlier than the 505, but has the 505 head, or at least a later looking head than the Falcon MK1 photos ive seen. Hopefully this is not a Frankenstein heli, and in its original configuration with proper canopy, tail fin configuration, and other components?

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09-01-2009 07:07 AM  8 years agoPost 2
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Nothing Special...

Just a well-worn, first pod and boom heli from Hirobo, the Falcon.

No time for me to do it now but look back for posts by me and use "Falcon" as a key word. There's a thread with a great set of pictures of a new one of these that I commented on. Gave the owner some hints too.

OK, here's that thread:
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t133859p1


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09-01-2009 04:15 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Marc,

I believe it is a Falcon Mk I from the late 1970's. We had these at Hobby Shack. Many of the parts are similar to the 505, but the frames are natural finish, as are the head parts and tail gear box.

I flew one or two of these, back when they were current.

There was a Mk II, which had a strange sort of attempt at a washout control (there is a photo of a Mk II in the thread referenced by Heli_headcase above), and then the 505/555 which you are familiar with.

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09-01-2009 04:46 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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OK, so I have it backwards then...I had been under the impression that the strange "collective decoupler" mechanism shown on that other thread was the very first Falcoln, which then evolved to the 505 head.

So what you are saying then is that this one I came across is the original Falcoln (+/- 1976?), and the one of the other thread is a MkII which was an evolutionary dead end???

If that's the case, does anyone out there have any pics, literature, drawings, manuals, etc for this?

Looks like im going to have to update my Falcoln page to correct this error...but would first like to have some documentation...if anyone has please PM me

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09-01-2009 04:46 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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There was a Mk II, which had a strange sort of attempt at a washout control
Can you confirm that the Falcons were sold with that collective decoupler in the kit box vs an upgrade that needed to be purchased?

THX.


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09-01-2009 04:48 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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Told you :)

OK, so I have it backwards then...
As I said in my PM...


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09-01-2009 05:02 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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About that PM I supposedly sent: It never was registered in the system. Where could it have gone?

Mark Ryder - Is there any reason my PM to marcw at 2am eastern time would have been deleted? There was lots of important detail in that message.


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09-01-2009 06:24 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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Hey Steve- Since it seems PM is on the fritz, I left you a voicemail re borrowing all your falcoln docs for scanning to the web and updating the falcoln webpage

if anyone else has any early (pre-505) hirobo falcoln documentation or other materials, please let me know so we can add it to the online collection for posterity and our collective knowledge:

http://1017.org/cricket/falcon.htm

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09-01-2009 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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I worked at Hobby Shack (now Hobby People) from about June of 1975 to sometime around 1979-80(?).

My recollection is that the model in the photograph of this thread is the Falcon Mk I. We all flew Schluter and American R/C (we being four of five of us that worked in the shop) at the time. It was really interesting to see something different.

Some things about the Falcon were very nicely done, some were strange/crude (the resin clutch, there was something about the motor mount/side frames as I recall also). I never owned one of these but flew a couple. I remember them being almost too stable, like the later 505.

The Mk I did not have the strange washout control above the head, as I recall. The paddles moved with the collective, but in the opposite direction (as with the 505). The only significant difference that I can recall about the MK II was addition of that washout control (which we all thought was pretty strange-I think it rocked back and forth with cyclic inputs). There were probably other changes/improvements, but that is the only one I can remember.

I cannot remember that washout being sold as a separate item (I cannot remember one way or the other-it has been too long). It was stock on the Mk II.

Does that help?

By the way, I did own, at one time, the mortal remains of a very early Hirobo Gazelle, complete with Fenestron tail unit. I am not sure when this one was made, but it had the Mk I style head. The main rotor shaft (bent by the time I obtained it) was thinner in diameter than the later versions. The oil filled transmission, the head, and the tail gear box were natural finish as opposed to the later painted ones.

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09-02-2009 05:08 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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Hey fellas thanks for the info!…sounds like the consensus is that this is an original (MkI) Falcon.

Steve and I are going to be teaming up to update the GMP website in the next few weeks to better feature this model and how it was the genesis of the basic pod and boom layout, and evolved later into the GMP .50/.60 line.

Steve will be sending me a scan of his set of instructions and the box label, which has a factory photo of the Mk1. Ill update the website with Steve’s scans, plus revise the narrative to reflect a more accurate model evolution timeline. Finally, we’ll attempt to reproduce the original canopy stickers from the factory box photo, then post it all online while restoring this MkI into flying condition.

Stay tuned!

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