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09-03-2009 01:44 PM  8 years agoPost 41
jay21

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Spiff Wins again!...........................

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09-03-2009 02:00 PM  8 years agoPost 42
Tintin

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Why only Europe and Canada?
Because otherwise I can post 10 from China in a minute and send you off?

I'm not sure what you won, I wasn't even aware it was a pissing contest. Tell me just why I should bother using time on that, you were the one trying to prove something which your figures don't....

I'm content with our healthcare, you are the one having problems with our kind of system and consequently are trying to prove it's bad and so far only ignorants would take your figures as proof....if you want to prove anything just go ahead....

I can't really understand you guys, what do you get out of trying to belittle your opponents all the time? Does it make your blls grow?
Or is it the lack of useable arguments??

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09-03-2009 02:12 PM  8 years agoPost 43
gian

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Prostate cancer survival rates by country:
Hey, Spiffy. That chart IS propaganda. Did you bother to look at it? See, it's bulls#it like this that gets people in a stir over nothing. Look at the dates. Just look and tell me what's wrong with your little chart.

You're almost right on one point- you said keep government out of our healthcare. I say KEEP INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT OF OUR HEALTHCARE AND LET DOCTORS DECIDE HOW TO TREAT A PATIENT. If I pay for coverage I DAMN WELLL BETTER BE COVERED, but that is NOT the way it works here. You don't want some type of reform? You haven't been dreadfully sick yet.

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09-03-2009 03:01 PM  8 years agoPost 44
spaceman spiff

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Why only Europe and Canada?
Because otherwise I can post 10 from China in a minute and send you off?
Same reason i won't accept Nigeria.

How many countries is that? 28 socialist countries vs one capitalist?
Very unfair of me isn't it? Have a lolipop.

Please, just come up with one example Gertrude, and i won't bug you all month.

Yes Gian, it's British propaganda. we spoke about it before, it is very very clear that there are 3 groups of sample dates.

Feel free to ignore the US data you don't like it, it still paints a dismal picture of socialized medicine.

Many people die needlessly every day under "socialized" medicine.

But they saved a buck or two so its OK.

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09-03-2009 03:08 PM  8 years agoPost 45
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You're almost right on one point- you said keep government out of our healthcare. I say KEEP INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT OF OUR HEALTHCARE AND LET DOCTORS DECIDE HOW TO TREAT A PATIENT. If I pay for coverage I DAMN WELLL BETTER BE COVERED, but that is NOT the way it works here. You don't want some type of reform? You haven't been dreadfully sick yet
Good points here.

Thing is the gov't already has the ability to regulate insurance companies. (Yes really) Anti trust, coverege requirements,,, the whole ball of wax is right there if they actually cared to do anything.

Nurse: "Doctor doctor this patient has bad breath!"

Politician: "To the guillotine! Stat!!!!"

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09-03-2009 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 46
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One reason private health care is so expensive is the lawyers that sue doctors over anything they can dream up. And guess who most representatives are, lawyers.
So now they want to turn over control to lawyers ?????

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-03-2009 03:35 PM  8 years agoPost 47
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I just wish we could get what we pay for... That's what I would like to see. Believe me- I know that we have to work for what we want/need! It is just so disconcerting to see these companies dictate treatment and leave those who support them (with premiums) out to dry...
My view is this because we've (my family) been there. I wish all of you the best health and if I come across like an ass, it's because I've seen it from the inside.

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09-03-2009 03:37 PM  8 years agoPost 48
gian

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One reason private health care is so expensive is the lawyers that sue doctors over anything they can dream up. And guess who most representatives are, lawyers.
100%

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09-03-2009 04:12 PM  8 years agoPost 49
Aaron29

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We pay 7,5% of income as health insurance. The co-pay is rather symbolic as we pay abt $ 30
Tintin posted that. That is exhorbitant! Think of 7.5% of what you earn and compare that to your premium.

The US median income, from wiki, maybe not totally accurate but likely close...
In 2007, the median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.[4] The real median earnings of men who worked full time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113.
So 7.5% of your average 45,000 is ... $3375 per year. Or 300 bucks a month.

We are doing that right now, why change?

Remember this...you can pay for your insurance in the form of taxation, or in the form of premiums. Nothing is free.

All government health care would do is socialize it and make you pay for the care of others. It would also make it very bureaucratic. It would also make it slow while you wait for the care of others (that you paid for BTW.) Let's say you were willing to take on 2 jobs to pay for a speedy operation for your family member. Today you can do that. Under socialized medicine I don't see how the system could do that. There are many examples of Canadians coming to America to get good care.

Look at ANY big government program. They tend to be wasteful, spendy, cumbersome, and ultimately they fail! Social security (the ponzi scheme) is bankrupt and about ready to die. How is welfare workin for ya? It is an abused, failed program that instead of lifting someone back up simply disincentivizes finding a job.

You want reform? Fix the ECONOMY so everyone can afford health care. Doing this "reform" is only going to further bankrupt our economy and make good healthcare impossible to get.

Also, the US government needs to understand that when you piss off the people who make the money they will leave. When you make corporations pay the highest taxes of any country, they leave. When you set minimum wages, they find employees elsewhere. And now, when you tell doctors they are making too much money, what do YOU think, logically, will happen!?

I can just see Americans flying to another country to get the quality and timeliness of health care that we used to be able to get here. From the doctors that used to be here. Oh and they'd still be paying 7.5% of their income for the system they ran away from. I see failure all over this from the beginning.

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09-03-2009 04:35 PM  8 years agoPost 50
Henrik Engert

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So 7.5% of your average 45,000 is ... $3375 per year. Or 300 bucks a month
But, you get much more for that. It's not only health care....

For example (I have given more examples above):

In Sweden the student does not pay for college/university, only living expenses. I was crazy enough to go to college in the US and I am still paying for it. But it's all good, I met my wife there

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09-03-2009 04:37 PM  8 years agoPost 51
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We pay 7,5% of income as health insurance.
That was his quote. It said nothing about school.

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09-03-2009 04:57 PM  8 years agoPost 52
Henrik Engert

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Sorry. Misread. I was thinking about the overall tax. Still the fact is that you do get lots of benefits from these higher taxes, and you help others less fortunate. It's a different mentality that does not quite work in the US.

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09-03-2009 05:21 PM  8 years agoPost 53
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It's a different mentality that does not quite work in the US.
Yes, it's a socialist mentality. We would prefer that you enjoy it in your country. We're not trying to change Sweden into a capitalist country. So, please... Leave ours alone too. We don't socialism here.

Think about this. Health insurance cannot be purchased across state lines. There are 1300 health insurance companies in the U.S.. If insurance companies were allowed to compete nationally, you would instantly have over a thousand new options for health insurance. Or, we could create another government program and give you ONE new option.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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09-03-2009 05:35 PM  8 years agoPost 54
Henrik Engert

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Yes, it's a socialist mentality. We would prefer that you enjoy it in your country. We're not trying to change Sweden into a capitalist country. So, please... Leave ours alone too. We don't socialism here.
I fully understand that. Sweden was still a capitalist country last time I lived there. Stock market, private companies, freedom of speech, freedom of the press etc etc. We do have monopolies still in effect, such as alcohol and pharmacy, for good and bad.

Can't we all just get along

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09-03-2009 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 55
Tintin

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Same reason i won't accept Nigeria
And why should you not accept Nigeria when a US organization is presenting the figures? Because the chinese are 3 times as good as you at curing breast cancer and it fups your logic??? And that is according to US data....

I've already given you 1 example from the American Cancer Society, must be as US as you can get those data..... are those the data YOU chose to ignore??

If you check those stats you will see that of those in the paper France, Italy Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Poland, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria all cure breastcancer better than you do so as per your logic their healthsystem is better than your. I would have guessed you would be able to beat China, Romania and Bulgaria at least, but seems I was wrong.

Guess this is when you don't bug me for a month huh?

It seems to me many women die in the US from non-socialised health care, all according to US data..... which by the way doesn't paint that picture you try to portray. It kinda just shows there are other reason present too....
When you make corporations pay the highest taxes of any country, they leave.
Frankly it seems to me they have been leaving for a while, not because of taxes, but because of wages...

And btw, what's with the name calling? Is it supposed to offend me?
To me it just seems like you don't have the blls to discuss like a grown up...

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09-03-2009 06:19 PM  8 years agoPost 56
RonHill

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Tintin

We pay 7,5% of income as health insurance. The co-pay is rather symbolic as we pay abt $ 30
7.5% is about 3225 for the average US income earner. I pay about 1200 a year, and my copay is 20 dollars. So your plan would cost me more, and provide lesser care.

See I have been to the VA hospital, and I can get "free" VA healthcare. But I PAY for private insurance sinc eI get MUCH better care from my private Doc.

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09-03-2009 06:23 PM  8 years agoPost 57
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If someone claiming to be a lawyer from Nigeria sent you an e mail saying he has a million euros for you if you send him your account numbers.... do you send him your info?

Is it any different if a US organization forwards you the same e mail?

Does the name calling bug you?
Guess this is when you don't bug me for a month huh?
maybe. page please.

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09-03-2009 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 58
1stPlace

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Can't we all just get along
Of course You certainly haven't offended me. The fact is, I am very happy with my health insurance, and I don't want the government interfering with it. I have no problem with them reforming Medicare, Medicaid, and expanding coverage to cover people who suffer a catastrophic illness, or even a public option for people who want it. But, leave mine and the millions of others who are happy with theirs alone. Over 60% of my income already gets paid out to income taxes, state taxes, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, sales taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, property taxes, ect... How on earth can anyone think we should pay more taxes, when the ones we are already paying are being wasted at an astronomical rate?

I've had to cut back on spending and lay people off... Now the feds want more money from me? LOL Not gonna happen. I expect them to make cuts, just like everyone who actually produces wealth has had to over the last few years.

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09-03-2009 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 59
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Tin,

Are you talking about the little map/chart on page 10?

You do know those are INCIDENT RATES right?

There is a huge difference between incident rates, and 5 year survival rates. Do you understand what they mean and what they don't mean? I imagine English is your second language so i should give you some slack on this.

Have a peek at the end of page 11 entitled "survival"
Survival: Five year survival rates from breast cancer is about 89% in the united states and 76% in Europe.
Or put another way: 11% who get breast cancer in the US die in 5 years.
24% die in Europe.

http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT...s_2007_rev2.pdf

Worth every cent.

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09-03-2009 09:46 PM  8 years agoPost 60
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but

how many people that live in your country(s) have been living on the public's hind tit for GENERATIONS??? I'm sure quite a low number. We have people here who can go their entire lives spitting out kids and NEVER work a day in their lives and have generations before and after that are just the same. I doubt that a lot of European countries have that kind of Albatross around their necks.
On second thought, why don't we quit giving money as foreign aid to all of these countries that hate us and we could pay for health care many times over. Bottom line: CLEAN HOUSE - all new people in there and turn this sucka around!!!!

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