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09-02-2009 03:40 AM  8 years agoPost 41
TwistedRotor

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Might as well include this paragraph from the same article:

Politically, the move thrilled gun-rights advocates such as the politically influential National Rifle Association and outdoorsmen. They generally lean conservative, which may help Obama's soft standing with centrists and independents. But it certainly didn't set well with some of Obama's core Democratic constituencies, environmentalists and gun-control backers.

But remember, the administration is still "doing everything it can to limit your Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms".

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09-02-2009 04:02 AM  8 years agoPost 42
Dennis (RIP)

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The deficit is something that has gone back and forth between the two parties depending on who's in office. It's partisan BS that both sides are equally guilty of. It's just the democrats turn to get lashed for a while.
Yes it is. Especially since they (Obama and his lefty pals in Congress) drove the deficit up higher than ALL presidents in US History combined all together. Thats a recognizable accomplishment. A lot of people recognize that.

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09-02-2009 05:47 AM  8 years agoPost 43
LouisL

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Actually the deficit is a present from Bush...

( Don't ask why I am bothering to respond to someone who can't spell Oregon )

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09-02-2009 05:53 AM  8 years agoPost 44
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1.2 trillion of this past fiscal years defecit is all Obama and company.

And don't forget. The last defecit took place with a Democrat Majority in Congress.

Why didn't the Dem majority in Congress do something about the spending (which pales in comparison to Obama and company) when they had the chance?

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09-02-2009 02:34 PM  8 years agoPost 45
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Actually the deficit is a present from Bush...
Actually, it's a present from Bush and congress... Funny how it shot up as soon as Democrats were in control of congress.

Fiscal year Surplus or deficit
2000 +$236 billion
2001 +$128 billion
2002 -$158 billion
2003 -$378 billion
2004 -$413 billion
2005 -$318 billion
2006 -$248 billion
2007 -$161 billion
2008 -$459 billion
2009* -$1,841 billion

* Estimate
Source: White House

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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09-02-2009 02:48 PM  8 years agoPost 46
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Actually, it's a present from Bush and congress... Funny how it shot up as soon as Democrats were in control of congress.
How else were they going to pay for YOUR war YOU GUYS wanted so badly?

But hey, you guys wanted democracy in Iraq.... enjoy!

Repo man's got all day and all night! Lets go get a drink!

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09-02-2009 02:51 PM  8 years agoPost 47
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uuuuuhhh

did you not see the number quadrupled in 2009??? Hmmmm isn't that they year Obuma was in charge along with a Dem House and Senate??
I'd say the only thing keeping them in check WAS Bush.

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09-02-2009 02:52 PM  8 years agoPost 48
Dennis (RIP)

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How else were they going to pay for YOUR war YOU GUYS wanted so badly?

But hey, you guys wanted democracy in Iraq.... enjoy!
Idiot

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09-02-2009 02:53 PM  8 years agoPost 49
OzarkCopterBum

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I'd say the only thing keeping them in check WAS Bush.
I don't know how you can say that without laughing.

I tried.... couldn't do it.

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09-02-2009 03:54 PM  8 years agoPost 50
1stPlace

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How else were they going to pay for YOUR war YOU GUYS wanted so badly?

But hey, you guys wanted democracy in Iraq.... enjoy!
Please Ozark... Get off the partisan BS. I was never in favor of the Iraq or the Afghan wars...

But, I'm not surprised you think that with your "black and white, this or that" way of thinking.

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09-02-2009 04:48 PM  8 years agoPost 51
OzarkCopterBum

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Funny how it shot up as soon as Democrats were in control of congress.
Please Ozark... Get off the partisan BS.
Huh.

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09-02-2009 05:11 PM  8 years agoPost 52
1stPlace

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Nice attempt to make me look partisan by leaving parts out of the quote.

What I said:
Actually, it's a present from Bush and congress...
Congress includes Republicans, or at least the last time I checked there was still a minority of them in both houses.

Democrats won control in 2007 and were in power for all of 2008 and this year. The federal deficit has quadrupled. We haven't seen any new jobs created, we haven't seen the economy rebound, it's actually still shrinking. It's been nearly two years.

Huh.

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09-02-2009 05:33 PM  8 years agoPost 53
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The federal deficit has quadrupled.
Whats that little asterisk * thingy mean?
We haven't seen any new jobs created, we haven't seen the economy rebound, it's actually still shrinking. It's been nearly two years.
We aren't in free fall anymore either. You won't admit why, you just want to call gloom and doom. It's been 8 months under a new shot caller that's apparently calling the right shots.

Repo man's got all day and all night! Lets go get a drink!

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09-02-2009 05:34 PM  8 years agoPost 54
Dennis (RIP)

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We aren't in free fall anymore either. You won't admit why, you just want to call gloom and doom. It's been 8 months under a new shot caller that's apparently calling the right shots.

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09-02-2009 06:35 PM  8 years agoPost 55
1stPlace

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Whats that little asterisk * thingy mean?
That the actual number will probably be larger than the estimate.
We aren't in free fall anymore either. You won't admit why, you just want to call gloom and doom.
Of course I will admit "why". The markets are correcting themselves. They always do.
It's been 8 months under a new shot caller that's apparently calling the right shots.
Bwahahahahaa!!!

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09-02-2009 07:45 PM  8 years agoPost 56
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That the actual number will probably be larger than the estimate.
Tin foil hat with ESP module installed? Nice!!
Of course I will admit "why". The markets are correcting themselves. They always do.
Too bad it didn't happen for the previous group, if they could have held on for another 8 months. But it didn't happen like that did it?
Bwahahahahaa!!!
See above

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09-02-2009 08:03 PM  8 years agoPost 57
1stPlace

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Tin foil hat with ESP module installed? Nice!!
No, just speculation based on historical information from the CBO.
Too bad it didn't happen for the previous group, if they could have held on for another 8 months. But it didn't happen like that did it?
What previous group would that be?

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09-02-2009 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 58
OzarkCopterBum

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No, just speculation based on historical information from the CBO
Darn! I was going to ask you where you got yours so I could get one too.
What previous group would that be?
Republicans of course.

Repo man's got all day and all night! Lets go get a drink!

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09-02-2009 08:26 PM  8 years agoPost 59
1stPlace

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Republicans of course.
I knew that was your answer. I just wanted to watch you embarrass yourself again with more Partisan hackery. Thank goodness no Democrats supported the wars, or continue to support them. Thank goodness none of the Democrats voted for the Bush stimulus plans. Thank goodness no Democrats voted for the bank bailouts. Thank God no Democrats voted for any Bush proposals!

You sir, are truly unbelievable!

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09-02-2009 09:23 PM  8 years agoPost 60
RonHill

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Number 9 is funny. If that was true then why did he sign a bill that allows guns in parks?
Because it was attached to a bill that he really wanted to pass.

Because Democrats learned after 1994 that trying to take away the right for legal citizens to own firearms is not a good way to stay in office.

If you think he is for the 2nd, then why did he state on his website that he wanted to reinstate the AWB?
Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Why did he vote in IL to raise taxes on ammunition?
The Post quotes Obama out of context, claiming that he only wanted to tax “certain types” of guns in 1999. But the full sentence in the 1999 article reads, “Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.” Chinta Strausberg, Obama unveils federal gun bill, Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999, at 3.
Why did he answer that he was FOR a handgun ban?
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
If he is against CC.... How can he really be PRO 2nd?
"I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry"--Obama
If Obama is PRO 2nd... Why has he voted for a gun ban?
On March 13, 2003, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee for a bill that would have enacted a much broader gun ban. (The vote tally sheet is available at http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf).
The bill under debate that day, SB 1195 (available at http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/93/...300SB1195lv.pdf), would have made it illegal to “knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess” a “semiautomatic assault weapon.”
The bill defined a “semiautomatic assault weapon” to include “any firearm having a caliber of 50 [sic] or greater.” See SB 1195, page 2, line 10 (emphasis added). Under this bill, a firearm did not actually have to be semi-automatic to be a “semiautomatic assault weapon.”
Shotguns 28-gauge or larger (by far the majority of shotguns owned in the United States) are all “.50-caliber or greater.” See National Rifle Ass’n, Firearms Fact Book 183 (3d ed. 1989). SB 1195 did exclude any firearm that “is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action” and “any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.” SB 1195 p.3, lines 12-23. However, the bill did not exclude firearms with hinge or similar actions, such as single-shot or double-barreled shotguns used by millions of hunters.
Anyone who possessed one of these firearms in Illinois 90 days after the effective date would have had to “destroy the weapon or device, render it permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement agency, or remove it from the state.” SB 1195, p. 5, line 33. Anyone who still possessed a banned gun would have been subject to a felony sentence. SB 1195, p. 5, line 15. This “seizure and surrender” provision was much more severe than the former federal “assault weapons” ban, which had a “grandfather clause” to allow current lawful owners to keep their guns. See 18 U.S.C. 922(v)(2) (repealed).
You are entitled to your opinion... but the VAST amount of data points to Obama NOT being Pro 2nd.

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