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HelicopterFuel-Helicopters New or Limited ActivityOutrage › Cyclic Servos Capable of Unregulated 2S Lipo
08-09-2009 04:12 PM  8 years agoPost 1
kazager

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I'm planning to use JR 8717's but just wanted some feedback if there is something else out there that people prefer in this configuration.

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08-09-2009 04:30 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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Hitec HS-7900 series. If they come out with it?

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08-09-2009 05:02 PM  8 years agoPost 3
kazager

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I'm looking for servos that are already out there that people have used on 8v for a long time. I'm not interested in HV marked/labeled servos. Team guys are using Ino-Lab's, right?

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08-09-2009 05:42 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Foxden

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Yes,

Steven Fox, Henry, Charley and Austin are all running InoLabs on 7.4 volts (2S Lipo) rx packs, unregulated with no issues, I'm also running the Spartan direct but did use a Specktrum 5.2 reg for the tail servo, I'm also running a InoLab 760HB on the throttle direct, 760MG on the CCPM

Clyde Fox
Port Charlotte FL
Team Outrage

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08-09-2009 05:56 PM  8 years agoPost 5
kazager

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Thanks
Foxden,
I went back and saw the 760MG reference from one of your early posts, you filled in the missing piece for me...that they are working and you didn't change from the original plan. For the price difference of the mg to hb, why bother with an hb on throttle? Does the lone plastic gear in the gear train bother anyone that's using them? Have to admit I like the 1/2 price gear set. For RX I'll use an AR7100 or 7100R, so throttle and rudder are easily regulated.

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08-09-2009 08:42 PM  8 years agoPost 6
LONEWOLF2440

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Im gona use the align 610s un regulated on mine

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08-09-2009 09:31 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Foxden

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Kazager,

I already had the (3) MG's for the CCPM sitting here so I just grabbed the HB, the the slight diff in price if I was ordering them all at once I probably would have just picked up 4 MG's

They are FAST on 8v and we've had no problems, easily get 4 flights on a 2500rx and a few more with the 3600rx packs

Clyde Fox
Port Charlotte FL
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08-10-2009 05:09 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Tradhunt

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I might be running Align 610's here. I've been running them on 8v for quite a while on my 90's and 50's.

I don't crash... I land with style

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08-12-2009 12:25 AM  8 years agoPost 9
majestic12

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I'm about 50 flights in now on ds610 unregulated on a 700FBL. So far so good..no hint of anything running too hot or acting funny in the slightest.


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08-12-2009 11:52 AM  8 years agoPost 10
kazager

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Align servos
Isn't it sacreligious to put an Align product into an Outrage helicopter? I don't think I could do it, though I do have one that came that way.

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08-12-2009 04:38 PM  8 years agoPost 11
majestic12

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Align servos

Isn't it sacrilegious to put an Align product into an Outrage helicopter? I don't think I could do it, though I do have one that came that way.
I disagree... whats sacrilegious is paying more for a set of cyclic servos than the airframe they are put into


TREX 700N Flybarless
HF:STMPNGRND

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08-13-2009 12:01 PM  8 years agoPost 12
kazager

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Align 620's
I'm leaning to the Align 620's right now, I can get a 3 pack for $180. Almost the same speed as an 8717, just giving up torque, but I think the 8717's are just way more than is needed, based on the success of the Ino-Labs. Any thoughts?

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08-13-2009 04:33 PM  8 years agoPost 13
majestic12

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what have you heard about ino-labs? interesting... I'm happy with the Align so far but they could stand to have a smaller deadband. But for the price to performance ratio I'm still tickled pink by them They also have a metal gear train that should be in a much higher price range, their gear set is beautiful!

I'm super intrigued about the forth coming Hi-tec, savox and Outrage HV servos(8v tail servo too!). Only hope the price is around $100. For me personally I don't need an insane amount of torque at ludicrous speed especially for over $150 a pop. Better than average performance at an average price is all I need.


TREX 700N Flybarless
HF:STMPNGRND

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08-13-2009 04:44 PM  8 years agoPost 14
kazager

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Ino-Labs
I just know that the team guys are all using them. I'm sure they wouldn't use them if performance would suffer at all for it. I've seen a couple comments about Align servos not centering well under load, which I guess is similar to what you refer to as deadband. The only thing I don't like about the Ino-Labs is the 1 gear that is not metal, which might be sacrificial (a good thing) saving other parts of the servo, plus the gear sets are much cheaper than 8717's. You might have just shifted me back to the Ino-Labs.

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08-13-2009 11:08 PM  8 years agoPost 15
tr0cks

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futaba
bls451 8v

I remember when sex was safe and Heli's where dangerous.

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08-13-2009 11:19 PM  8 years agoPost 16
kazager

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Futaba Brushless
I'm using a 251 on my tail, so I like the brushless idea. This is the 1st I recall anyone saying to use them unregulated. I thought Futaba was a little sensative to over voltage. If you're running them on 2s direct, they would be a good option, I wish they were a little faster.

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08-13-2009 11:22 PM  8 years agoPost 17
tr0cks

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over 50 flights not a glitch. nor do they get hot, outrage 2s1p 2500mah, spektrum ar7100r

I remember when sex was safe and Heli's where dangerous.

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08-14-2009 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 18
jamesppp

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Here is a little vid clip of some BLS 451's on straight 2S lipo power. It speeds them up to something like .044sec/60°

I know a few people running the regular JR8717's (not the new HV) thru ther unregulated portion of Spek 7100 or 7200's and a couple doing the same with BLS 451's

For me, the 8717's are plenty fast at 6V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-pz0fss-AY

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08-14-2009 06:16 PM  8 years agoPost 19
kazager

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8717's & BLS 451's
I am not intent on running the servos @ 8v, it's not for speed, it's to minimize the number of components in the system. A regulator is just one more opportunity for a failure. I am a big proponent of KISS. I read some OLD posts that BLS451's don't center well (even that Futaba removed the recommendation to use them on Helis but does recommend them now), is there any validity to this? I wondered if this was an early production issue that has since been taken care of.

p.s. - neat video

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08-14-2009 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 20
jamesppp

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I read where 8717's get sloppy quick and about the centering issues that BLS 451's once had..I dont know. I cant fly 3D and I dont have these problems with mine

I also use Hyperion coreless DS20xSMD servos in a few helis and like them a lot. They are .11sec/60° at 6V and that works well for me. They only cost 47 bucks each

Im about to maiden my Logo 5003D with 8717's on the swash and an 8900 on the tail. More than likely other than a little more speed the Hyperion servos have at least as much torque and Ill not be able to take advantage of any benefit of the more expensive components. I just wanted all JR electronics , except Rx on this heli. Since it is a ^S heli, Im using a Medusa Potentia or Western Robotics BEC wired straight to the flight pack..like most of my other helis. I have an 8a UBEC(voltage reg) powered by a seperate 2S or 3S lipo on one heli..(E-620) I forget to charge the Rx pack sometimes.

I fly Futaba radio gear but;

If I used JR/Spektrum and wanted 8.4 volts the 7100 or 7200 or maybe both receivers have this capability built in...No seperate regulator needed. Power the Rx with a 2S lipo and run 8.4V unreg'ed to the swash servos(That is how my friend explained his T 700 setup to me. He has never burned an 8717 doing this for over a year and even put one in a lake a while back and all worked after it dried. He isnt using the drowned equipment, but hooked it up and it seemed good. I dont blame him for not risking it in the air.

It is nice to have lots of quality choices

Jimmy

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