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08-08-2009 02:25 PM  8 years agoPost 1
cowetachopper

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I am new to this aerial photography world and have some questions.

1. Is the camera and camera mount all controlled through the regular transmitter on the extra channels or do you use something different?

2. How do you snap the picture?

3. DO you use a transmitter to send a signal down to a monitor to see what you are taking a picture of?

THanks for any info you can share.

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08-08-2009 07:47 PM  8 years agoPost 2
davejoyce2000

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Good questions, I'm a newbie too and would like to see some responses. For question 3, I think you can use a camera equipped with Wi-Fi to see what you are taking and view it through a laptop or monitor.

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08-08-2009 08:51 PM  8 years agoPost 3
BigguyOz

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Without trying to dampen your enthusiasm, answers to all questions like these can be easily found by using the search engine, as well as reading the many threads in this forum and others elsewhere dealing with aerial photography.

Tony Stott

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08-08-2009 08:59 PM  8 years agoPost 4
cowetachopper

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Yeah but trying to dig through hundreds of posts to find the answer to 3 questions is just too time consuming. I have read many of the post but not found a direct answer to what I am asking.

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08-08-2009 10:10 PM  8 years agoPost 5
papatango

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I am new to this aerial photography world and have some questions.
1. Is the camera and camera mount all controlled through the regular transmitter on the extra channels or do you use something different?
Search for Camera Operator.
2. How do you snap the picture?
Search for Remote trigger.
3. DO you use a transmitter to send a signal down to a monitor to see what you are taking a picture of?
Search for Downlink.
Yeah but trying to dig through hundreds of posts to find the answer to 3 questions is just too time consuming. I have read many of the post but not found a direct answer to what I am asking.
There's a thousand answers for your questions, not a single simple solution. Trust me, it's a long road to understanding.

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08-08-2009 10:30 PM  8 years agoPost 6
hobbyguy4

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Cow,

The quick answers to those questions are so varied.

1. Some individuals operate solo and use 1 radio to fly the heli while also operating the camera. I personally recommended that newbies do not use this method for safety reasons. Having a dedicated camera operator at first will greatly increase your quality and reduce risk. The other side of that arguement is that the highest quality images depicted in this forum are usually captured by solo operators.

2. Snapping the picture depends on camera, setup and operator preference. simple point & shoot cameras often need a mechanical link to the trigger. In this scenario a servo is used to depress the camera button. The standard scenario is with electronic triggers that plug directly into the camera and send the relay straight from the receiver. Wireless options such as optical triggers are also used but this is not as common of a solution.

3. Some operators have live downlinks, while others do not. Newbies using a secondary camera operator can usually frame a shot better with a downlink, vs a solo newbie on a blind shot. After enough practice, many operators just know where to park the heli and know how to set the camera without a downlink.

My personal preferences for most applications that we get involved with include secondary cameraman, electronic triggers and live downlinks, but this is again application driven.
When operating solo, I rarely look at a downlink. I preset the angle, concentrate on flying to the spot and then just snap away in burst mode. A little pan left and right or a quick spin of the mount and drop down for quick review on the laptop.

However as Tony stated, these answers are buried in all this info somewere. And even though there are hundreds of posts to go through, each can offer a little insight on how to improve and work toward your goals. Part of the reason that many newbie questions don't get a quick answer is that so many top notch guys on here cut their teeth with long bouts of trial and error without having that instant lesson learned. Each figured out on his or her own the best trigger, the best lens etc. One lesson I struggled with early on was not paying attention to the K.I.S.S. method. Improve upon the basics first and the rest will start to come together.

Good luck

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08-08-2009 10:41 PM  8 years agoPost 7
cowetachopper

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Hobbyguy4
Thanks, that is the answers I was looking for. A general idea of what is out there and people are using. Sounds to me that a second person is the way to go to begin with with a downlink. I like that scnerio. Thanks for the info and helping me get my mind working.

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08-09-2009 12:51 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Rich H

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I am a solo operator, hobby only. I use a T-Rex 600 with a custom front mount that is tilt only. The tilt servo is geared 5:1 for smooth operation and has the potentiometer mounted externally. The whole mount is attached with a few degrees of left roll (adjustable) so that while in flight the horizon will be level.

The camera I use is a Nikon D70s with a 10.5mm fisheye lens. This makes it dead easy to line up the shots. DXO Optics Pro does the de-fishing afterwards. I have used a downlink before but with this setup, there really is no point.

Actuating the camera is by an electronic switch that uses a receiver channel. I sacrificed a remote shutter to splice into it.

I do have an AP-2000i flight stabilizer but don't usually fly with it active. I find it easier to fly with it off.

I use one radio, a Futaba 12mz but I'm only using 9 channels, two of those are to adjust the gains of the gyro and stabilizer.

Rich H

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08-09-2009 02:23 AM  8 years agoPost 9
cowetachopper

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Hey Rich thanks, that is what I was thinking of doing. Making my own small front mount with only a tilt. You can always pan with the tail rotors. I only wanted to do this as a hobby now anyway. I have a Freya 90 so I figured if I ever wanted to do it as a business I will move up to a gasser or maybe even a turbine when I get really rich one day lol.

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08-09-2009 06:06 AM  8 years agoPost 10
BigguyOz

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Yeah but trying to dig through hundreds of posts to find the answer to 3 questions is just too time consuming.
Better to use up our time than yours eh?

I wasn't being mean suggesting that you use the search engine, because the plain facts are there is no single solution, there isn't a turnkey solution you can buy off the shelf (some might seem to be, but none of them includes shutter operation or downlink for example).

Therefore, there really isn't any alternative to learning enough about everything to enable you to put it together yourself, which is really the right way anyway, because then you know how to maintain it because you built it.

Good luck in your quest!

Tony Stott

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08-09-2009 05:36 PM  8 years agoPost 11
cowetachopper

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Better to use up our time than yours eh?
No not at all. The point of a forum is to ask questions. I have read through the pages and pages and did not find an answer to what I was looking for that I could understand.

And I dont plan on buying anything off the shelf. I make pretty much all my own stuff I just need a little info before I can start putting stuff together. Luckily I found a fella in GA that was willing to help me out!

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08-11-2009 04:31 PM  8 years agoPost 12
iskoos

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True but you know how often these questions are being asked?
It is true that with the search function answers to the questions cannot be found immediately but all the answers are there no matter what. And the questions you asked are answered numerous times not only once believe me.
Somebody took his time and answered those for you initially but I doubt that those answer will be enough. You will dig in and search the forum anyways and as you do that you will see it yourself.

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08-11-2009 04:39 PM  8 years agoPost 13
cowetachopper

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Geez, I have never posted in any other section on this site and been met with such resistance. Guess maybe the aerial photography crowd is a little less responsive to new guys. THanks to those who were willing to answer my questions. Hope I didn't hold you guys up any.

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08-11-2009 07:12 PM  8 years agoPost 14
BigguyOz

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This is because I doubt any other section on RR relies as much on DIY combinations of complex alternatives, where the answers not only vary according to the exact requrements of the person asking, but also due to the individual choices made by someone who answers.

I guess the bottom line is that you either take the advice to read more on board, or sit there (in relative ignorance) with a bruised ego.

Tony Stott

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08-11-2009 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Flightlutions

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1. Yes. The camera mount can be controlled by a separate transmitter operated by an camera man.

2. There are many options. If your camera has a built-in intervalometer then you can just set it to snap until your card is full.
The other option that most people is, find a camera trigger that is supported with your camera. There are tons available. Search this forum and you will find about a half a dozen options.

3. Yes, A separate transmitter is required. So that would be one receiver for the helicopter controls, one receiver for the camera mount and one on board video transmitter. Keep in mind that your video downlink has to be on a different frequency then the heli controls. I use 2.4 for flight and mount control and 5.8 GHz for the video downlink.

If you are just getting started in AP, some good advice would be to build your helicopter around what camera equipment you intend to use not the other way around.

AJ

AJ | http://flightlutions.com

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08-11-2009 08:10 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Lunesta

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Geez, I have never posted in any other section on this site and been met with such resistance. Guess maybe the aerial photography crowd is a little less responsive to new guys. THanks to those who were willing to answer my questions. Hope I didn't hold you guys up any.
That is likely because most of the guys here in this section think there 'poop' doesnt smell, and that they are some kind of special toy helicopter fliers, just because they can fly a toy helicopter and snap pictures or press record on a cam corder.
That is why many are agains the rules and regs that are forth coming,they dont want to have to meet any criteria that would show their faults.

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08-11-2009 08:18 PM  8 years agoPost 17
cowetachopper

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I guess the bottom line is that you either take the advice to read more on board, or sit there (in relative ignorance) with a bruised ego.
No bruised ego here and definitly not ignorant. And for those who think that I have not read and read and read posting you are ingnorant. The point of learning is to read and ask questions and that is what I did.

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08-11-2009 08:35 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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08-11-2009 10:55 PM  8 years agoPost 19
FrankC

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Well, just because you read something does not mean you immediately comprehend everything, or that you immediately understand how everything interacts. Even doing a keyword search may not help much if you are not aware of the jargon to use for your keyword search.

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08-11-2009 11:04 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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