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08-09-2009 07:34 PM  8 years agoPost 21
BJames111

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Of course its not. The point of the post by Ozark was to support Palosi when she said that protesters were wearing swastikas to those townhall meeting. Obviously, not the correct picture to try and get his point across.
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08-09-2009 07:59 PM  8 years agoPost 22
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The only ones there truly worthy of swastikas are the union thugs beating up protesters.

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08-10-2009 06:07 PM  8 years agoPost 23
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The only ones there truly worthy of swastikas are the union thugs beating up protesters.
I'm assuming you are referring to the recent protest in MO that St Louis Today reported as individuals overreacting and getting into a scuffle? They had reporters at the event.


St Louis Post Dispatch

Its funny to me that people think they can toss around insults and call people fascists and nazi's, and then get bent out of shape when someone busts them in their nose for doing it. They were looking to get a reaction with their swastikas and they got it all right, just have to wonder if that was the reaction they were hoping for.

I don't think it was right for either side to resort to violence to get their point made. But I still fail to see the connection between fascism and nazi's and what it has to do with the health care debate.

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08-10-2009 06:10 PM  8 years agoPost 24
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The picture of the Swastika has a circle with a slash through it.
In our popular culture that means "NO".

If you go on to a commercial flight in the US you will see a cigarette with the same "NO" symbol over it.
Thanks you for that observation Captain Obvious!!

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08-10-2009 06:10 PM  8 years agoPost 25
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I don't think it was right for either side to resort to violence to get their point made. But I still fail to see the connection between fascism and nazi's and what it has to do with the health care debate.
We can ask the same of you Ozark. Why did you post pics of protesters with swastikas on their hand made signs?

What has THAT got to do with the health care debate?

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08-10-2009 09:52 PM  8 years agoPost 26
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DOH!!!!!

This is the same guy that was walking around in the video that is 48 hours later, in a wheel chair, accompanied by his brand spankin new lawyer!!

Joe the Victim!

He's also the guy there protesting universal health care, complaining he cannot pay the hospital bill for his "injuries" because he got laid off and lost his insurance too!!

DOH!!!!!!

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

ST. LOUIS — Kenneth Gladney sat in a wheelchair on Pershing Avenue Saturday, his knee bandaged, holding a flag that read: "Don't Tread on Me."

Gladney, 38, was handing out the same flags after a town hall forum in Mehlville Thursday night, when, he says, he was attacked by members of the Service Employees International Union.

Less than 48 hours later, protesters gathered Saturday in front of the union's offices, many of them holding signs with a slightly different version of the message: "Don't Tread on Kenny."

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Gladney did not address Saturday's crowd of about 200 people. His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. "A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too." Brown read. "This should never happen in this country."

Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance.

Several people who said they'd seen Thursday's events approached Brown Saturday with information about what happened. Brown said he was taking names and numbers and was helping mount a legal strategy for Gladney. He would not elaborate.

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08-11-2009 02:16 AM  8 years agoPost 27
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I'm assuming you are referring to the recent protest in MO that St Louis Today reported as individuals overreacting and getting into a scuffle? They had reporters at the event.
The Post Dispatch had reporters arrested in the fight. If you can't report the news just make it!

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08-11-2009 03:45 PM  8 years agoPost 28
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The Post Dispatch had reporters arrested in the fight. If you can't report the news just make it!
I don't know how it works up there in Missouri, but here in the United States we believe in freedom of the press.

What you want call "making news" was actually a reporter doing his job trying to report at a scene that local police apparently failed to control and then responded by arresting anyone they could lay hands on.


ST Louis Post Dispatch

On the arrest of Wagman, the Post-Dispatch reporter, Eckhard said Wagman and a P-D photographer were repeatedly asked to back up and stop taking flash photographs because the bursts of light were making it hard for officers to see.

Wagman moved back, then came closer to the officers, he said. Eckhard did not know how close Wagman was to the officers, but said the reporter was asked several times to "stay back."

"We have to maintain the peace, we have to restore order," Eckhard said. "It's not time for debate at that time of the evening when you have assaults and people reacting to assaults."

Arnie Robbins, editor of the Post-Dispatch, issued this statement Friday.

"In arresting our reporter, we think the police overreacted and were overzealous. While we understand that police have difficult jobs and were in a volatile situation, we hope they understand that reporters, too, have difficult jobs and were in a volatile situation."

Robbins also said, "On two separate occasions, police asked our reporter to move farther away from the scene. He identified himself and complied -- he was also wearing his press badge clearly visible around his neck. On a third occasion, two police officers asked him to leave.

Before he could explain who he was and that he was standing where two other officers had told him to, a police officer counted to two, handcuffed him and arrested him. Even later, after identifying himself as a Post-Dispatch reporter, the police processed him.

"We absolutely think that our reporter handled himself responsibly. We absolutely do not think that charges are warranted," Robbins added.

Wagman was not using any type of lighting when videotaping. He said he was shooting video near a parking lot of Bernard Middle School when he was asked by a St. Louis County police officer to step back. Wagman, wearing a Post-Dispatch identification card around his neck, asked where he should stand. He was directed to an area of the sidewalk. He complied, he said.

A few minutes later, Wagman said, another officer asked him to move further away from the scene. Wagman identified himself as a reporter and did as he was told, he said.

Then two different officers approached the sidewalk where Wagman stood.

Here is Wagman's account of what happened next:

"A pair of officers began instructing everyone to leave. I asked, 'I'm not sure why I have to go.' (We were, after all, on public property - a school.)

"One of the officers responded, 'You can either leave now or come with me to jail.'

"I attempted to interject. He cut me off. He began counting. I attempted to interject again. I was unsuccessful.

"Once the officer's count reached 'two,' he grabbed my wrists and handcuffed me behind my back. My camera -- which had been recording the conversation - dropped to the ground."

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08-11-2009 09:39 PM  8 years agoPost 29
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Here we go again, the police "acted Stupidly" again.
I guess they will all have to go to the Whitehouse for a beer.
I wonder why the video tape hasn't been seen on the news yet. Actually I wonder why a newspaper reporter was shooting video tape in the first place? Oh well, maybe it was a home video shot for his kids or something?

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08-12-2009 07:02 PM  8 years agoPost 30
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Here we go again, the police "acted Stupidly" again.
Not what I said at all. Quit trying to put words on me, I said:

a scene that local police apparently failed to control and then responded by arresting anyone they could lay hands on.
I wonder why the video tape hasn't been seen on the news yet.
First I heard of the situation, it was on the news. Because you personally didn't see it that means it was never broadcast?
Actually I wonder why a newspaper reporter was shooting video tape in the first place? Oh well, maybe it was a home video shot for his kids or something?
Because they can shoot continuously and then use a frame for the stills they need instead of relying on a still camera and possibly missing a shot.
What does it matter how they get their shots anyway? Are you implying some type of conspiracy because a newspaper reporter was using a video camera?

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08-12-2009 07:05 PM  8 years agoPost 31
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Maybe the have a homepage where they show video, wouldn't be a first for that....straws flying...

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08-12-2009 09:51 PM  8 years agoPost 32
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Maybe the have a homepage where they show video, wouldn't be a first for that....straws flying...
The video is all over the place, nobody's hiding it, its at the links I provided in this thread. He maintains its not in the broadcast news, which is wrong, as I've personally seen it beginning the day after it happened and repeated till some better video showed up. That's the way American broadcast news works.

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08-13-2009 02:31 AM  8 years agoPost 33
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I never saw it on the St.Louis news and I watch it twice a day.
I'll check it out at work on high speed.

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08-13-2009 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 34
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I never saw it on the St.Louis news and I watch it twice a day.
I'll check it out at work on high speed.
Woah, You didn't read the account in your local paper that had a reporter there, and you are commenting on video that you haven't even seen yet? Where are you getting your information from? Word of mouth?
The Post Dispatch had reporters arrested in the fight. If you can't report the news just make it!
I wonder why the video tape hasn't been seen on the news yet. Actually I wonder why a newspaper reporter was shooting video tape in the first place? Oh well, maybe it was a home video shot for his kids or something?
The only ones there truly worthy of swastikas are the union thugs beating up protesters.

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08-13-2009 10:11 PM  8 years agoPost 35
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Woah, You didn't read the account in your local paper that had a reporter there, and you are commenting on video that you haven't even seen yet? Where are you getting your information from? Word of mouth?
I saw the original report on the TV news.
The Post Dispatch had reporters arrested in the fight. If you can't report the news just make it!
Still true!

[/quote]The only ones there truly worthy of swastikas are the union thugs beating up protesters.
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Still very true!

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08-13-2009 10:29 PM  8 years agoPost 36
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Still true!
"At the scene" and "in the fight", 2 very different things. By your reasoning everyone there was guilty, including the cops.
The only ones there truly worthy of swastikas are the union thugs beating up protesters.
Still very true!
And you'll have no problem producing some hard evidence of this I am sure. How many "union thugs" were there? How many arrested? How many protesters were supposedly beaten? Were they actually sent out there by a union? If so, what was the name of the union official that sent them out there?

Joe the Victims story is already unraveling like a cheap sweater, he's just looking for some jackpot justice. Where do you stand on that? He was being wheeled around the next day by his new lawyer, itching to sue someone/something for his alleged injuries. Hows that fit in with the tort reform argument you guys like to toss around? Why is it that you guys always argue that but whenever needed, you guys lawyer up just as fast, if not faster than anyone?
Joe the Victim appeared in public with his lawyer within 24hrs. Thats GOT to be a record I'd imagine.

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08-14-2009 02:53 PM  8 years agoPost 37
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I would not usually interject myself into an obvious right vs. left argument, but it is plain to see in all the videos the first punches are thrown by people wearing SEIU shirts. Both sides on here always argue based on emotion NOT fact.
If you really want to settle any kind of debate know your facts, otherwise it is just he said she said banter back and forth. Both sides of the health care town hall debates have levels of organization going on. The nazi comments are being used by both sides to try and put a spin on the arguments. However neither side on here seems to have read the bill or care to, maybe you should it has some good ideas and some terrifying ones at the same time. He who has the facts always wins.

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08-15-2009 12:35 AM  8 years agoPost 38
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the first punches are thrown by people wearing SEIU shirts.
I didn't see any punches get thrown. I saw a guy, not Gladney, already on the ground and another man, that Gladney claimed attacked him, trying to hold Gladney back from the guy already on the ground. They tripped over the curb and both fell down, Gladney was on the ground all of 2 seconds.

I'm wondering what the agitated guy carrying the towel screaming "your going to jail" is doing hovering over the guy on the ground when the filming starts and how did that guy get on the ground in the first place? Did Gladney admit that he laid the guy out after he attacked Gladney before the filming started?

@Baby Uh!
The Post Dispatch had reporters arrested in the fight. If you can't report the news just make it!
Kind of curious still as how you relate this reporter "making news" by being in a fight when he is clearly operating a video camera the entire time up until the cops made him quit filming by arresting him?

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08-15-2009 03:28 AM  8 years agoPost 39
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It was originally reported that the reporter was involved in the fighting. That was the last report that I saw on TV.

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