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08-02-2009 04:49 AM  8 years agoPost 1
KCinNC

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i installed Phoenix today, got my DX7 calibrated. any tips about configuring "IDLE UP" ?
i assume i need to set up pitch & throttle curves ?

KC

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08-02-2009 12:50 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Gyronut

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You really dont need to do anything.

The default is idleup using a gov.

Just make sure your TX is setup for Idleup and your finished.

Rick

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08-08-2009 05:57 AM  8 years agoPost 3
KCinNC

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so i setup my DX7 like i was setting up a Heli ?

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08-08-2009 11:32 AM  8 years agoPost 4
nheather

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As Gyronut says, the governor is on all the time so that part of idle up doesn't matter.

However, if you want to setup different pitch and idle curves for each of your idle positions on the TX you can and they will work - you don't have to do anything on the Phoenix side.

The gyro is the only weak link - cannot enable\disable it through the idle settings, nor can you change the headspeed using idle.

Cheers,

Nigel

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08-09-2009 02:50 AM  8 years agoPost 5
KCinNC

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Thank You !

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08-09-2009 11:20 PM  8 years agoPost 6
KCinNC

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still can't figure this out....when i try to go inverted and go neg. throttle...i just loose throttle

nothing to it but to do it

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08-09-2009 11:56 PM  8 years agoPost 7
tr0cks

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set throttle curve to 100% flat curve in radio, works perfect for me

I remember when sex was safe and Heli's where dangerous.

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08-10-2009 10:34 AM  8 years agoPost 8
nheather

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If you have the governor on - and this is true by default for many of the models, your throttle curves are ignorred so it doesn't matter what shape they are.

As I'd said previously, the governor is on all the time and a weak (but minor) issue with Phoenix in my opinion.

If possible in future releases I would like to be able

(i) Disable\Enable the governor in the Idle Switch positions
(ii) Set the headspeed in the Idle Switch positions
(iii) Model true Governor operation - that it doesn't engage until a certain throttle\headspeed is reached.

Only minor but that is how my GV-1 works in real life.

Cheers,

Nigel

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08-10-2009 04:39 PM  8 years agoPost 9
gorn

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for me I just set flat line 100% throttle for idle 1 and 2.
That way it knows not to go to zero throttle at bottom stick, even in gov mode, you still need something there on the sim for it to work properly.

For the love of the hobby

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08-10-2009 04:44 PM  8 years agoPost 10
KCinNC

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i have the throttle curve at 100%...but it takes off like a rocket...i don't have any negative pitch ? i have the pitch curves linear....so i should have -12

i know it is something so simple...but i can't find it

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08-10-2009 08:48 PM  8 years agoPost 11
nheather

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You haven't got your collective backwards have you?

i.e
zero stick = max pitch
full stick = min pitch

Look at System > Your Transmitter and check how the collective moves (Channel 3 on my gear) when you move the throttle stick.

Should be zero at min throttle and max at max throttle. If yours is going the other way you need to reverve the channel on Phoenix.

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Nigel

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08-18-2009 01:26 AM  8 years agoPost 12
GregRC

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anyone can give me the specifics on how to map the keyboard "Throttle Hold" (numeral 1) and the Normal/Idle1/Idle2" (numeral 3) "to the TH switch and the Flight Mode Switch on a JR XP7202 Transmitter?

I would imagine it is posted somewhere on RR but I haven't had the time to search for it.

Your help would be appreciated.....

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08-18-2009 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Shawn Pierce

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Greg, i looked but i couldn't find it. You wil love that sim tho...I might be heading to new orleans sunday!!!

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08-18-2009 03:47 AM  8 years agoPost 14
GregRC

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thanks shawn...I've had the sim for a few months now....love it...but find the TH and FM keypad thingy aggravating....

may see you at the field.....Wayne is going to help me with my wobble problem...think it is just getting the gains set....

thinking of converting the old R50 to flybarless also......

if you do come on sunday and if you can, bring the computer with the software....am interested in seeing how the Rondo works....

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08-18-2009 11:58 AM  8 years agoPost 15
Shawn Pierce

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will-do greg but with the rondo i just need my little handheld device to program it, no laptop needed.

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08-18-2009 06:15 PM  8 years agoPost 16
GregRC

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Figured it out....TH and Idle 1 and 2.....no mapping needed....it's all in the radio....works GREAT..........

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08-20-2009 02:07 AM  8 years agoPost 17
KCinNC

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Figured it out....TH and Idle 1 and 2.....no mapping needed....it's all in the radio....works GREAT..........
give me the scoop Bro....i still can't get inverted

nothing to it but to do it

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08-20-2009 02:31 AM  8 years agoPost 18
GregRC

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On the DX 7 radio.....I am going to do it step by step so it may appear almost too simple...but just bear with me......

1. Plug the wire into the back of the receiver - the trainer socket.
2. DO NOT turn the Transmitter on - the screen will light up.
3. Hold down Scroll and Select button at the same time...you will probably get the D/R & EXP screen ... but.......
4. Use the scroll key (left button) to scroll through the various menu items/options.
5. When you get to [THRO HOLD] it should say INH....press the increase button - the button on the right side of the Tx. It should say HOLD POS> -5% SW:RUDD D/R leave that as it is.....
6. Press the Scroll Up Button and move to the THRO CURVE MENU...
7. Set your throttle curve for NORM/ST1/ST2 ....
For NORM I have 0 = 0, 2 = 75 and 5= 100
For ST1 I have 0 = 100, 2 = 75, 5 = 100
For ST2 I have 0, 1,2,3,4,5 = 100,
8. Hold down the Scroll and Select Button at the same time to return back to the main screen.....
9. Start Phoenix and go fly - Use the Flt Mode Switch for NORM, ST1 and ST2 and the Hold switch for Throttle hold as you would do for flying the real heli....
10. Have fun flying inverted....
Let me know how it turns out....

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08-20-2009 03:19 AM  8 years agoPost 19
KCinNC

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GregRC...man i do appreciate the effort bro !!!

i pretty much have the same setup you just offered...
i use the same set up i use for my Trex 450...and i can hover it inverted.

but when i use these settings on the sim, when i flip the heli and give it negative cyclic..."i loose power" and the heli just drops like a rock ?

it flies perfect in the normal mode...but when i go to ST1 it's like i have no negative pitch ? i've recalibrated numerous times..same thing

nothing to it but to do it

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08-20-2009 03:42 AM  8 years agoPost 20
GregRC

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Check your throttle Curve in ST1...it should be V shape....I suspect that is why your're having the problem.....

Mine works GREAT.....

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