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06-06-2009 12:27 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Namielus

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Hey! I know this might be a hard question, but please try your very best to answer each one. Please excuse me if I ask totally ridicolous questions as I know absolutely nothing about the subject.

Here is a description of what i want;

I have a 5d MK2 dsl camera with HD video, and some solid lenses. camera+ lens might weigh up to 2kg's or 4.5pounds

Needless to say this is expensive gear, and I never ever tried to fly rc-helis except those tiny toys.

I have alot of time on my hands, and could practice 5 hours everyday if needed.

Question one: How expensive would a minimum total kit cost me, that can easily lift 2kg/4.5 pounds and hopefully also a rig to minimize shaking? How much does height come into play? Lets say I want to go 40 feet or more?

question two: If I practice everyday, what would you think it would take to safely and confidently fly a helicopter that lifts this gear?
Im guessing im an avagarage learner, but feel free to give me a worst case scenario.

Is it weeks, months, years? does 50% fail and never learn? Please dont tell me these questions cant be answered because I really need to know.

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06-06-2009 12:43 AM  8 years agoPost 2
LONEWOLF2440

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I would try posting in the aierial photography threads they can tell ya everything ya need to know but im sure someone will chime in to help here

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06-06-2009 12:45 AM  8 years agoPost 3
TaleGunner

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$2500-5000 1-2yrs if you work hard and a large bank account to cover the learning curve

go to your local hobby shop and by a sim for you computer and a coaxial RTF heli to start. about $400

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06-06-2009 12:49 AM  8 years agoPost 4
GyroFreakrrProfessor - Orlando Florida ...28N 81W - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Took me 2 years to fly will enough at altittude to take pictures with a $200 camera. I use a Minature Aircraft Razor 600E, which is electric with 610mm baldes (about 5 foot rotor span).
Example:

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-06-2009 01:20 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Yug

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Start with some good sim time to ascertain if you have sufficient ability to fly and hold the heli stable enough for AP. This should be evident after a few weeks. If all is well, get yourself a 50 size heli and get some real air time in. If things are still looking good (weeks, months or years later) and you can hold the heli stable in all orientations and at altitude, then go for the big one and mount your expensive camera gear.
From your post, it is evident that you have little or no experience with helis so I would like to point out that there are many facets of helis (apart from flying) which are splendidly challenging. Flying is just one aspect but equally, the technicalities of building these machines and gaining an understanding of their physical attributes and so on, are of equal magnitude.
Many years ago I got involved with helis as a result of being interested in using them as a video platform. However I rapidly became completly addicted to helis, their mechanical technicalities, their physics, 3D flight and so on. Funny how I never got round to mounting any serious cameras although have had some fun experiments.

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06-07-2009 12:11 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Rafier

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You might want to look into the Draganflyer for aerial photography. They are a bit pricey at $15k, but very stable.

Helis aren't addicting! Helis aren't addicting!

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06-07-2009 01:45 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Namielus

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thanks for the tips guys. But I already spent a total of 10 000usd on camera gear. Equal or bigger amount of money spent on my home cinema.
And this is a private hobby, so adding 15 k for that Draganflyer is not something my hobby-budget can take at all. It would sum up to over 40k for a hobby, + expenses that come afterwards.

Wish I had that kind of money to spend on hobbies, but then id have to get a fulltime job and this means less time for hobby. I kind of loose in either case.

But it really looked nice. I figured I had about 2000 usd to spend, and was thinking used equipment might be that cheap?
A learning curve of upto 2 years before I can shoot movies is also not very encouraging since my main focus is the movie not the helicoper.
But I do in theory have unlimited time on my hands, so Im still considering.

Again thanks alot guys!

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06-08-2009 02:13 AM  8 years agoPost 8
tchavei

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Helicopters arn't that hard to fly once you know how to fly them (pun intended )

Initially it can be quite overwhelming. I remember when I decided to try helis lol... I bought a freya 70 (man, was I an idiot), full gear and radio. I also ordered the sim but somehow it got stuck in the mail so I got the sim only when the bird was half build. Thinking back, if the sim had arrived before the helicopter, I wouldn't be flying today because once I started the program, my first feeling were butterflies in my stomach and my first thought was "I wonder if I can still send the stuff I have upstairs back and ask for a refund?? I will NEVER be able to fly this."

5 years later and I enjoy this hobby every day thinking about it, every night working on my machines and every weekend flying the crap out them. Heck, even my 3 year old son now runs after me asking "I want to fly helis, can I please?"... a dream come true

Tony


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06-08-2009 02:16 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Steff Giguere

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Over the past 3 years I've been flying, I've seen a lot of new members at our club, and I could tell you that some are great after just a few months and others still only hover after two years. We have one member who has been flying for 12 years and still losses orientation. Therefore it all depends on you.

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06-08-2009 02:18 AM  8 years agoPost 10
tchavei

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^^^

Ditto. However what I've witnessed is that the "new wonders" that progress super fast during the first months usually have two or three crashes in a row and then give up for good.

Tony

PS - A guy that hovered 8 months... me and I don't regret any minute of it.


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06-09-2009 08:25 PM  8 years agoPost 11
VooDooX

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San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

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get a good simulator and practice alot minimal investment 200$ and you can see if you will be able to learn helis good enough to fly them for real for what you want and if you do want to get a heli you will have less crashes because you have the stick time and can use it to practice during bad weather

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06-11-2009 11:14 PM  8 years agoPost 12
MutantGarage

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Texas, USA

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Get a Blade MCX, it's about $130 or so, fly the heck out of it.
Learn how to fly it coming toward you and going away.
You should be able to mount a LASER pointer, get one of the
keychain ones and strip it down to the PCB and see if you can
aim the spot on a wall while flying. Once that's mastered,
then get a bigger Heli, like a Trex450 or Blade400.
Learn to fly that and practice with a 'disposable' camera.
Get a simulator somewhere along the line, they're about $100-200.

It might take you a year or two, but you won't be in deep$$ if you
decide it's not for you.

Then you should be ready for the big time 600/900 to carry your valuable gear.

The MCX is nice since you can fly indoors in a big room and learn to deal with orientation. It's very stable, much more than the mid-size 400's.

The Simulator will help you with the next step, mid size heli.

I'd like to try some aerial photography, and am following the MCX>TREX400+SIM>big heli path. I still need a sim, but just got
the 450 and working on hovering with training gear.

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06-11-2009 11:24 PM  8 years agoPost 13
TaleGunner

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I think he bailed on the idea several days ago guys

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