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HelicopterMain Discussion › How many of you use dual rates?
06-04-2009 12:57 AM  8 years agoPost 1
jakeg1999

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San Diego, CA

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I personally like to fly what I call soft to medium 3d while using a lot of sky. I prefer as much power, max control throw, and expo free sticks when possible. I do also really like the way scale helis fly and doing slow steady controlled flight, like slow piros and spot landings. While I don't have a scale bird anymore (didn't get much use), I still like to use my 3d helis for this mellow flying and I usually do it at the end of a tank or during my last flight of the day. So, I know I could and probably should just go out and test it myself, but I don't get out to fly all that regularly so I thought I would ask you folks. So how many of you like to do this type of flying and do you use dual rates or make any flight changes to your bird prior? My biggest concern is that I may develop bad habits and or create problems with my ability to have such sensitive controls. I really like having the controls very sensitive, but often wonder if my slow technical flying skills might appreciate a little more docile setup. I realize that expo could be used also, but for some reason I was thinking that dual rates would provide more consistency as I am not crazy about how unlinear expo feels. Oh and I will mention that most of the time I do this type of flying I do use a lower headspeed which does mellow things a little. Anyway just thought I would ask and thanks in advance.

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06-04-2009 01:45 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Dilbeck

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Springdale Arkansas

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I find it somewhat amazed that more dont speak up on the subject. More than not use some dual rates and expos than not. Scale or not it tends to soften their sticks somewhat and makes one feel more comfortable. I use both and at different levels based on what and how Im flying.

Clint

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06-04-2009 01:46 AM  8 years agoPost 3
JAGNZ

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No dual rates here but I find it easier to just setup more Expo in various flight modes to achieve the feel I am after. If I was running a scaler I might consider D/R though.


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06-04-2009 02:01 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Steff Giguere

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St-Eustache, Quebec, Canada

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No dual rates here.

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06-04-2009 02:02 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Denion

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Quad Cities, USA

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I use dual rates and different expo settings depending on the flying style I am trying to get.

Dan

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06-04-2009 02:02 AM  8 years agoPost 6
rilopez825

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Pembroke Pines, FL

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I fly single rates and mostly at 100% throttle but if I just want to hover around, my normal mode is a lot less rpm's and acts like a dual rate. less configuration to adjust on the radio, keeps it simple.

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06-04-2009 02:16 AM  8 years agoPost 7
mchammer

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California,USA

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I use only expo, no dual rates. If I needed to soften it more than what I can get with 30% expo I would use flybar weights to soften response without compromising max availabe throw as with dual rates.

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06-04-2009 02:17 AM  8 years agoPost 8
T-Rex-Flyer

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Panama City, Fl

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On my Raptor Titan I don't use and expo, one the T-Rex 450 I need about 25%. Never have used duel rates.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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06-04-2009 02:18 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Dilbeck

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Springdale Arkansas

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100% throttle or not D/R and expo gives you the feel to fit your fingers. Most pro flyiers use one if not both to get the sweet spot to their particular feel of the sticks.

Clint

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06-04-2009 02:50 AM  8 years agoPost 10
rilopez825

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didn't mention, I don't use expo just verified on my radio. but on the rudder I go have about 25%

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06-04-2009 02:53 AM  8 years agoPost 11
XxCaTMaNxX

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Navarre, FL - U.S.A.

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I barely get away with 1 rate.
Dual?! no way.

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06-04-2009 03:17 AM  8 years agoPost 12
GimbalFan (RIP)

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Big Coppitt Key, FL

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No dual rates on helis for me, light expo only. Dual rates on fast planks only.

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06-04-2009 03:30 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Wingman77

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Pulaski Tennessee

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I used to use dual rates.....till I forgot to flip the switch

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06-04-2009 04:24 AM  8 years agoPost 14
greenboot

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Marblehead, OH

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I could never remember to change a dual rate switch, it's hard enough to remember to switch to idle up! A little expo is all I need.

Tom

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06-04-2009 04:26 AM  8 years agoPost 15
max232

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Pensacola

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i use dual rates and expo,i have them set up on three flight modes,in idle 2 they are full rates.
just started with expo it seems to help with not having a touchy rudder while doing tic-tocs.i got to work on pinching the sticks.

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06-04-2009 04:29 AM  8 years agoPost 16
David Blain

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Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

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No Dual Rates here either!
I'm flipping enough switches now!!
Never mind adding in the D/R's

David Blain
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06-04-2009 06:35 AM  8 years agoPost 17
jakeg1999

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Well I certainly like not using the dual rates or expo as I really like the touchiness for my normal flying style, but I am curious as to what they may do for my slow technical flying. I currently use all three flight modes, so I may just set one of them up with dual rates on just the ail and elev, and see what it's like. Thanks to everyone for your input, I kind of expected a bunch of different responses and it sure sounds like everyone is doing something a little different and that's great.

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06-04-2009 08:39 AM  8 years agoPost 18
The Dude II

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JakeG1999,

I cut my teeth on fixed-wing when "dual rates" and servo reversing was a BIG DEAL when you bought a radio.

I setup all my models with dual rates and various amounts of expo based upon what style of flying I'm doing at that moment.

For whatever reason, I still "wanna be a stick-banger 3D master" (guess that's a bit of an oxy-moron..."banger" & "master" ).
I use my right most switch above the cyclic to give me either 10-degrees cyclic rate or 4 degrees. I run -30% and -20% expo, respectively.

I have a 5th flight (Norm, Idle 1,2 & Hold) mode setup where I limit my collective range to about 9-degrees total (-2 to +7 using a SPLINE curve to maintain hover point).

I would refer to this mode as FAI/F3C.

I too run a lower HS...1850 here on a 50-size nitro for 3D & aerobatics. In the FAI mode...I will use 1700 mainly unless winds are really gusty then I run 1850.

Using dual rates will allow you to fly an aggressively setup machine (dampers/head tuning) very smoothly for FAI type control.

Give this and eye and ear:

http://www.rcprecisionheli.com/inde...basic_settings/

http://media.libsyn.com/media/insid..._Flying-PSC.mp3

lotta ins, lotta outs

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06-04-2009 01:59 PM  8 years agoPost 19
heli-cuzz

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Pittston, Pa. USA

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No dual rates here. I always set-up full throws and use my thumbs to control the rate.

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06-04-2009 02:12 PM  8 years agoPost 20
JRjoe

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Jonesville , IN USA #1

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DR and Expo

Hell yes, got it all set up on my flight mode switch. That way there's only one switch to mess with.


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