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06-03-2009 03:06 PM  8 years agoPost 21
ttsingram

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beidle99, looking at you pics it also looks like they broomed it too soon also. The ridges looks too smoothe, like paint from a brush. They should be a little more defined and more "rough". Could be like you said, sprayed water than kept going. I see that all the time from the so called "experts".

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06-03-2009 03:18 PM  8 years agoPost 22
tauscnc

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I can rub my hand and easily pick off the top... and in the area we have never driven over. It looks like that in the pics you posted beidle99.

I have one of those home depo power washers, 125 psi and as I started to clean off the drive the other day more and more just kept peeling so I stopped. This layer is right at the base of the garage door closing... they brushed that part of the concrete. Seems like there is maybe 1/16" of icing on the top there.

I just spoke to the city they use:

AASHTO Spec. M143 sodium chloride type 1 grade 1 for our streets, they said it is bulk rock salt.

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06-03-2009 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 23
ttsingram

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I don't know what the salt mixture is you mentioned, but I still don't think that is was caused it. If it was salt it would only be where it dripped off your car. I would also just mention a lawyer to them just to see how they react. Sounding more and more like a bad finish job.

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06-03-2009 03:38 PM  8 years agoPost 24
tauscnc

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I just spoke to the city, it is your basic rock salt, nothing added, etc. They said our road has not been pre-treated for the past 3-4 years (whatever that mean).

It is your basic salt, if purified you could put it on your food.

BS so far to me,

Our lawyer is looking into the warranty right now.

Pics here or in gallery - can take better ones if needed, these were at night.

taus

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06-03-2009 04:57 PM  8 years agoPost 25
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I think Beidle99 hit the nail on the head.

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06-03-2009 06:11 PM  8 years agoPost 26
Jerc 77

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Over finished
Looks like it was over finished to me. I saved the pics and will show them to our pavements engineer today.
The salt you mentioned is just standard rock salt. You can eat it, but it's in large chunks and it tastes like dirt.
What region of he country are you in? Climate may be a factor.

"Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it." - Mark Twain

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06-03-2009 08:50 PM  8 years agoPost 27
ShankBones

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whirlyspud
I think Beidle99 hit the nail on the head.
Yup..I showed these pics to my concrete buddy (the butt scratching beer drinking one), he said it was the "Creamy Syndrome". Pressure washing could expose more.

Looks like Beidle99 did hit it on the nail.

"Whats Right is Right and Whats Wrong is Not Flying"

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06-03-2009 10:16 PM  8 years agoPost 28
beidle99

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in my pics the bullnose flaking is always a problem, the form that is used doesn't allow a strong bond with the aggregate and top finish, parging is always done and unless sealed will pop again. The sika repair will probably work best, as long as applied properly.

Who raised the ground since I took off?

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06-04-2009 09:41 PM  8 years agoPost 29
tauscnc

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The ready mix concrete guy came out and said it was poor workmanship. They said, I will try to say this correctly,

They did not bleed the air to the top (???)... it is heavy broomed, because of the pitch of the drive they probably had the concrete drying somewhat so it would not slide off. The part where the garage is the pitch is flat causing water to sit.

He tapped it with a hammer and clearly, for the untrained ear, me, I could even tell it is totally hollow underneath. He said the entire piece by the garage door will peel off.

He said we might be better doing an epoxy floor covering over that piece instead of trying to have it broken out and replaced.

More to come, I don't think his warranty is solid as faulty workmanship is covered!

He said he does not think salt has anything to do with it.. BS run around answer.

More to come.

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06-05-2009 06:00 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Blax1

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He said we might be better doing an epoxy floor covering over that piece instead of trying to have it broken out and replaced.
Mate don't do that either, I had the same problem with a concrete slab, "the expert" came out and said epoxy it, we did, 12 months later its cracking off as well because the under lying problem is the concrete slab itself..... Simply a bad batch of concrete in the first place, if you intend staying at that address, cut it up, strip it out and re-pour the slab, using a reputable company, that guarantee's their work...
That's what I will have to do as well, bite the bullet..................

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06-05-2009 06:05 AM  8 years agoPost 31
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tauscnc
He said we might be better doing an epoxy floor covering over that piece instead of trying to have it broken out and replaced.
The Epoxy floor coating is probably a goog idea and looks better anyway..

"Whats Right is Right and Whats Wrong is Not Flying"

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07-13-2009 03:49 AM  8 years agoPost 32
kkess

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The website http://www.concretenetwork.com is an excellent source for information on concrete.

Here is a link for causes/repairing of spalling concrete:

http://www.concretenetwork.com/fix-...w-driveway.html

Does anyone have any advice on preparing legal action against a contractor who has installed a defective concrete-driveway (spalling, pitting).

My driveway has these problems and my contract/warranty has the following information. Is ANYONE familiar with this type of contract?? Thanks..

"All material is guaranteed to be as specified. All work to be completed in a workmanlike manner according to standard practices, as specified residential construction guideline book. All agreements contingent upon strikes,accidents, or delays beyond our control. No warranty exists until this contract is paid in full."

"Arbitration: All claims or disputes arising out of this bulling contract or the breach thereof shall be decided by arbitration in accordance with the rules and procedures adopted by the American Arbitration Association or Better Business Bureau as applicable. Initiation or use or arbitration proceedings by either party shall in no way waive any rights of CONTRACTOR to pursue remedies available under mechanics lien laws."

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