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HelicopterSafety - RC Helis are not toys › Trex 450 at the park...Way too close!!!
12-31-2009 10:53 AM  7 years agoPost 21
red_z06

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Unless toy industry has changed, most RC toys that can be bought at TRU are in 27MHz band. 72Mhz is set aside by FCC for Hobby grade air Tx & Rx while 75MHz is for ground vehicles.

Some of the entry level hobby grade RTFs are actually on 27MHz as well.

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01-06-2010 11:42 AM  7 years agoPost 22
mydartswinger

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Even if they were on 72mhz, the likelyhood of getting shot down by a toy is slim (possible, but slim). You may receive a slight bit of interferance, but not really enough to notice.

Example:
A couple of years ago, I was at my parent's house visiting. My mother had been playing around with some of the Zip-Zaps from Radio Shack. I had a Team Losi Mini-T on AM 27mhz at the time (still have it, but now on 2.4ghz). We tried running them together. She could run hers as long as my Tx was off. If my Tx was powered on, it would overpower hers and not let them move while I was free to drive without issue.

I would be more worried about crashing a little kid's Air Hog, Tyco, Nikko, etc... by locking it out than crashing mine from it locking me out.

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02-13-2010 02:18 PM  7 years agoPost 23
Rogman88

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Heli's have too many moving parts and too many parts that can come loose in flight causing erratic behavior and crashes. At close to 3000 rpm that was a very careless thing to do. I wonder if AMA covers stupidity?

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02-13-2010 03:17 PM  7 years agoPost 24
Zaneman007

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Bad example

That is what I call a bad example. That is exactly what you should not do. He was flying toward the kids!!!!! What a knuckle head.

He needs his AMA card pulled, if he even has one.

It is guys like him that give the rest of us a bad name.

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02-14-2010 10:46 PM  7 years agoPost 25
MEL760

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very stupid...

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02-14-2010 10:58 PM  7 years agoPost 26
philip 01

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rc heli's and all rc aircraft for that matter, are becoming more somewhat main stream to a degree meaning people who would have never tried it in the past are now able to get into it.

as this user base grows so will accidents and attention from people who like to regulate things.

it is highly possible that a day will come when we will be given restrictions on where and how we can operate rc aircraft including both planes and heli's.

there are a lot of people coming into the hobby that should really not be operating rc aircraft. it is a matter of time before something happens that gets everyone's attention.

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02-14-2010 11:11 PM  7 years agoPost 27
MEL760

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they're already banned in most parks in my area and for good reason, not saying I don't fly at parks, but much bigger and when no people are around...

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02-15-2010 02:19 AM  7 years agoPost 28
MEL760

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and that lady with the kid in the trikoller??

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03-27-2010 06:37 AM  7 years agoPost 29
ChuckJrster

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Banjo Music

People who fly like this need to have "Banjo Music" playing in the background! Whata "Dumb Butt!"

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03-27-2010 10:57 PM  7 years agoPost 30
dougly

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radio interference

I have been flying RC aircraft for over 40 years and in that time frame on 72 mgz I have been shot down approx. 5 or 6 times. Unless you are flying in a place that would not cause damage to somebody or somebodys belongings you should not fly there. I myself have flown in places I should not have been flying and I have had close calls that scared the **** out of me.That is how I have been cured. Now that they have 2.4 the possibility is a million to one to get interference but the possibility of parts failure is still there.Everything is all OK until that one time happens in a place that it shouldn't.Everybody just think before flying or you may be sorry.

Doug McKenzie Flying high,fun,and fast

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03-28-2010 12:13 PM  7 years agoPost 31
ChrisMoore

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I wonder what its like to be someone who doesnt know what we know about RC...it just seems so simple to me that this thing is dangerous...why dont other people think the same thing about spinning blades? Maybe we should write Cuisinart on the side of every helicopter.

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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03-28-2010 02:59 PM  7 years agoPost 32
ShuRugal

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AMA 700159

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03-28-2010 03:53 PM  7 years agoPost 33
Jgatorman

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rc heli's and all rc aircraft for that matter, are becoming more somewhat main stream to a degree meaning people who would have never tried it in the past are now able to get into it.

as this user base grows so will accidents and attention from people who like to regulate things.

it is highly possible that a day will come when we will be given restrictions on where and how we can operate rc aircraft including both planes and heli's.

there are a lot of people coming into the hobby that should really not be operating rc aircraft. it is a matter of time before something happens that gets everyone's attention.

Bobby Jack's Hobbies
+1 This is nothing more than an accident waiting to happen. Unfortunately this will be a growing concern and I am sure our beloved hobby will become much more regulated due to the ignorance of individuals like him. On another note with 50 and 90 size clones coming out that can be flown for well under a grand I see a storm brewing. If this hobby becomes so affordable anyone can do it, anyone will and unfortunately "anyone" will incude ignorant, unsafe and downright stupid people who will end up killing or maiming others. Enjoy our freedom of Rc heli's while you can guys because I fear it will come to abrupt end in the future.

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04-02-2010 04:03 AM  7 years agoPost 34
mundo330

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RC Car Breaks Childs foot!

Last Sunday my niece was out playing in her driveway when a neighbor with a Nitro powered car ran it down the street. This is a zero lot line neighborhood with garages 30 feet from the street. The guy lost control of the car and ran into my niece's foot. She has three shattered bones in her foot and will be off it for the rest of the summer. Could you imagine if this was a 450 heli? As with the three wheelers of the 70's and 80's if the dealers do not take the initiative to educate the consumer they will not have a product to sell.

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04-05-2010 07:02 AM  7 years agoPost 35
Solmanbandit

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Flying at the park, no problem with me. I can't tell for sure how far he was, but I wouldn't have flown that close to kids. 72 mhz at a park with kids, I wouldn't trust. Way too easy for a possibly of being shot down by the frequency. As far as a servo locking up, not likely and he was flying hard.

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04-05-2010 01:09 PM  7 years agoPost 36
Jgatorman

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Flying at the park, no problem with me
If people are around, then you are the problem

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04-05-2010 03:50 PM  7 years agoPost 37
Solmanbandit

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People around isn't the problem. It is where they are located and how far they are. Have you ever been on a side of the road with cars doing 40 mph or higher? Been to an airshow? Use a sharp knife around people? There is always risk in everything we do. Using risk assessment and judgment is what is going to help. Plus it depends o what size heli as well you are flying at the park. 100, 200, 600 size makes a difference as well. Do you know what size that heli in the video is? It may be just a little 100 or 200 size. Would I fly a big bird there, no. I believe you are being too general in your assumption. The parents of the kids can be held just as responsible. If I say my kid getting in the area or too close to a rc, I would get my kid away and say something to the guy as well. It sure didn't look like the parents cared.

Here, you want stupid? Here you go and how long do you think it will be before his face gets whacked off?

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04-05-2010 03:57 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Jgatorman

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Refer to previous statement

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04-05-2010 04:56 PM  7 years agoPost 39
mydartswinger

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The video states that the heli is a T-Rex 450SE V1. Size only makes a difference of how close is too close and how much flying space is not enough.

There is NOTHING wrong with flying a 450 at the park. It falls well within the "Park Flier" category (2 pounds or less, and most of us will never reach the speed limit of 60mph. Some may reach that speed, but not all). However, responsibility lies on the pilot to ensure that spectators/passers by are at a safe distance. The heli in the video was a bit too close to spectators/passers by at some points of it for my tastes. Having a spotter would be ideal to keep an eye out for errant dogs, children, and stupid people, as they can run up at ANY time in such a public venue. It is the pilot's responsibility to ensure that he/she is not being dangerous with it.

That being said, our society has lost it's sense of responsibility and common sense (not so common anymore). In a hypothetical instance where an RC heli pilot is flying a 450 class heli at a park where such activities are permitted, the pilot has a spotter, and the heli is being flown at a safe distance from the pilot/spotter and those that are oblivious to it's presence. If someone were to run up from behind the pilot/spotter, not be seen by either until the "runner" has passed, the pilot attempts to land and shut down before the "runner" reaches the heli, but the "runner" reaches it before the heli is completely shut down, and he gets his leg cut. In our society, the heli pilot would be sued by the "runner" for injuring him and likely win, though the heli pilot had done everything possible to prevent injury to an uneducated individual. C'mon, you see something spinning really fast and go up to it (lawnmower, helicopter, engine fan, bicycle wheel, etc...)? Would you run up to a real helicopter like that? I don't think so, unless you know what to watch for and the proper way to do so (ie flight crew, medics, etc...). You're going to be too scared of the 15 foot blades (each) spinning above your head that you'll be reluctant to even creep up to it unless escorted by a crewmember (sometimes even too scared to do so then). If you, as the pilot, got to close while knowing that the heli can be dangerous, it's YOUR FAULT if something goes wrong and someone gets hurt.

Also, take into account the instance where someone got a hot cup of coffee from McDonalds and got burned when the coffee was spilled. The person won a multi-million dollar lawsuit OK people, you should know that ANY cup of coffee is going to be hot, possibly so much so that it will burn you if spilled on you. If you get burned by a cup of coffee YOU ordered, it's YOUR fault. If the coffee was expired and you got sick because of it, that would be the restaurant's fault. Those are examples of just plain stupidity. Others just have death wish or are too hopped up on whatever that they are oblivious to anything around them (some are REALLY bad about that here).

Sensible people will do some sort of risk assessment before they do anything, even if it's just thinking twice about doing it.

Anyway, this subject has been beaten to death. Regardless of how I feel it SHOULD be, it's not necessarily that way. In this day in age, WE are ultimately responsible for anything that happens as a result of operating our helicopters, regardless of who's fault it really is. Getting too close is irresponsible and asking for disaster.

I'm off my soap box now.

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04-05-2010 05:28 PM  7 years agoPost 40
Jgatorman

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There is NOTHING wrong with flying a 450 at the park. It falls well within the "Park Flier" category (2 pounds or less, and most of us will never reach the speed limit of 60mph. Some may reach that speed, but not all). However, responsibility lies on the pilot to ensure that spectators/passers by are at a safe distance. The heli in the video was a bit too close to spectators/passers by at some points of it for my tastes. Having a spotter would be ideal to keep an eye out for errant dogs, children, and stupid people, as they can run up at ANY time in such a public venue. It is the pilot's responsibility to ensure that he/she is not being dangerous with it.
You neglect the consideration for all of those people you fly around but "not in their vicinity" that did not willingly put themselves at risk so you could enjoy your hobby. We have sanctioned AMA fields, and other areas that people do not frequent to fly at. Your attitude seems reckless and selfish and is how people get injured. Helicopters are not toys and with rotor blades spinning at up to 3400rpm and tail blades spinning at up to 15100 rpm bad things can happen quick. Helicopters are mechanical and electrical equipment and anything that falls under this catagory is subject to failure not to mention pilot error.

I truly hope that this sheds some light on your attitude of flying in public before an actual close call or injury actually occurs, unfortunately though most people do not take heed until the above occurs or just play the odds and sometimes get lucky.

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