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03-21-2009 08:47 PM  8 years agoPost 1
mariog

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I am looking for a simple, inexpensive swash plate leveler that I can use both on my Mini Titan e325 and full size nitros. Any good ideas?

Thanks.

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03-21-2009 09:18 PM  8 years agoPost 2
rexxigpilot

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Your eyeballs!

You don't need a swash leveler. I bought one a few years ago. It cost me $37 and I used it once. Also, the current thinking is that a level swash is not the best setup for hands-off/neutral hovering. The swash should be tilted slightly right or left aileron depending on the main blade rotation.

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03-21-2009 09:20 PM  8 years agoPost 3
TaleGunner

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I saw this in another post and just couldnt resist

I am looking for a simple, inexpensive it don't get simpler or cheaper than this

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03-21-2009 09:37 PM  8 years agoPost 4
baddynergy

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Also, the current thinking is that a level swash is not the best setup for hands-off/neutral hovering.
There is no such thing as a hands off/nuetral hover. Maybe for a few seconds or so at best.

It is best, especially on an eCCPM machine to ensure that your swash is level at mid, high and low stick. I believe that FMP has an inexpensive bubble swash levelr that will work on most helis. Most ALL online shops carry it or some form of it.

see this one at ron lunds:

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...ct_Code=FMP1093

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03-21-2009 09:46 PM  8 years agoPost 5
rexxigpilot

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There is no such thing as a hands off/nuetral hover. Maybe for a few seconds or so at best.
I guess you never had a Blade CX or any other counter-rotating heli. Also, the report on the new TT Innovator in RC Heli states that it will hover hands-off for over 10 secondes once tuned.

My point is that a level is not needed. The human eye is amazingly precise at determining if something is perpendicular or parallel.

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03-21-2009 09:58 PM  8 years agoPost 6
baddynergy

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I guess you never had a Blade CX or any other counter-rotating heli. Also, the report on the new TT Innovator in RC Heli states that it will hover hands-off for over 10 secondes once tuned.
yes as a matter of fact I have. And those have a stabilization control. The counter rotating dont count as they are NOT a CCPM machine.
My point is that a level is not needed. The human eye is amazingly precise at determining if something is perpendicular or parallel.
Actually it isnt. YOu cant "see" (or most people cant) 1/2 degree off, which will cause wandering. Level is needed to help determining eCCPM interaction during set up.

and the OP is not intersted in setting up a counter rotating, but CCPM helis. Lets stay on topic.

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03-21-2009 11:24 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Micro-Maniac

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I don't know - I really like the Trueblood leveler I got from ReadyHeli

Remove the head and drop it down the shaft onto the swash and tweak the swash perfectly level throughout it's entire range with zero hassle

It may not get much use but it makes a daunting task super simple - To me it's an essential "right tool for the job" as ball link pliers

Well worth the $15 I paid for the 450 version to obtain a perfect setup w/ ease


 

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03-21-2009 11:53 PM  8 years agoPost 8
baddynergy

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The true blood ones are great ( i use them). The problem is they are not universal.

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03-22-2009 12:12 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Sonic88

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Think you can eyeball it? Take this test. After taking this, I don't trust my eyes as much as I do my tools.

Eyeballin' Test

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03-22-2009 12:31 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Helifat

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The allen wrench method works just fine on a budget, but is always nice to have the right tool for the right job

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03-22-2009 01:18 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Boidman (RIP)

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Any thing or method that gets the job done for any individual, is good.

Eyeballs, lasers, bubbles or toothpicks, ya does whats you needs to get a result.

As time goes on, some very "unusual" concepts get passed around as near "gospel." Swashes and gyros have and will continue to generate some most amazing discussions about what are primarily near fundamental absolutes.

It can be truly delightful to hear a casual "believer" in a most peculiar gyro or swash setup, finally see the light in what is considered by many to be clear and clean logical practice. "But my way seemed to work so well . . . until it didn't."

Toys is fun. Making toys is even better. Sitting on yer ass while flocculating around with assorted tools and materials, as an adult beverage or two gets consumed, beats all hell outta picking your nose.

Function and time spent, productively(?) Bite me.

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03-22-2009 01:39 AM  8 years agoPost 12
JKos

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Here's how I do it.

The first photo shows how it's mounted to the mainshaft. The second is where I actually use it (on an inner swash ball). Spin the mainshaft around to check the reading at the three control points.

- John

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03-22-2009 01:43 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Micro-Maniac

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Ah but it seems you have to manually adjust it to each swash position you wish to examine then follow the gauge face around the heli whereas the Trueblood leveler is free-floating allowing examination of all three points at once throughout the entire range of the swash even while in vertical motion

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03-22-2009 03:05 AM  8 years agoPost 14
dave75d

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all those toys look cool, i bought a knockoff from our LHS for $7. works great.

ten grand in helis and all i can do is hover

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03-22-2009 04:03 AM  8 years agoPost 15
TaleGunner

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Check this new one out
http://www.gforceheli.com/c291071_e.../p17145761.html
http://www.gforceheli.com/

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03-22-2009 04:08 AM  8 years agoPost 16
Pureadrenalin

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JKos

Now thats precision. I never thought of it gotta try it. What is that one a plunge dial indicator?

hammerhead_customs

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03-22-2009 06:38 AM  8 years agoPost 17
rexxigpilot

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Think you can eyeball it? Take this test. After taking this, I don't trust my eyes as much as I do my tools.

Eyeballin' Test
Hey, great link there Sonic88. I got a 2.30. I guess it proves you don't need a leveler for the swash.

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03-22-2009 06:45 AM  8 years agoPost 18
classic

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My point is that a level is not needed. The human eye is amazingly precise at determining if something is perpendicular or parallel.
I used to think that too.
Trust me, it isn't as precise as you think it is.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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03-22-2009 11:31 AM  8 years agoPost 19
JAGNZ

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I consider a swash leveler a pre-requisite for a good eCCPM setup. It is quick, easy and dead precise. The 'eye-ometer' is not close enough for eCCPM. Try it with the eye and then with a leveler - you will see just how off you are....

I have heard people say that you have to flight trim it anyway. Yes but at least when you add, say, Elevator trim you are not at the same time inadvertently adding some Aileron trim too. A mechanically level swash (using Subtrim at Mid-Stick and Endpoint adjustment at the pitch extremes as required) is the fundamental starting point for proper mechanical setup plain and simple. Skip this step and all others are moot and are based on a flawed base, leading to unintended consequences IMO.

If you are too cheap to buy a leveler then perhaps you are in the wrong hobby?


Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz

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03-23-2009 02:20 AM  8 years agoPost 20
chopper_crazy

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I have always eyeballed the swash in the past but I recently used a trueblood swash leveler and like it. Very easy to use.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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