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03-21-2009 05:27 PM  8 years agoPost 21
iflybyu77

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Flying Cam is still in business. Most know the story behind the other.
Do tell.

And what is your thoughts on this most current letter from DVI, John?

One thing that struck me as possibly beneficial in all of this is MANY more people out there know about what the FAA is doing, and also that if the "major" players suffer, they won't be so likely to keep quiet and operate under the radar. If the FAA strikes out against a major Hollywood producer(s), there will be more voices (and stronger ones) vocalizing disapproval of the draconian rules and snails pace of dealing with it.

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03-21-2009 05:39 PM  8 years agoPost 22
patrickegan

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Flying cam does a lot of work offshore, there is no “legal” commercial avenue to operate in the United States. As far as the FAA (and the manned stakeholders) are concerned, any activity that is paid regardless of the definitions is currently verboten.

Any confusion/questions or care about doing this in the future, give Randy a call…

Randy Willis
Senior Analyst
Unmanned Aircraft Systems Office (AJR-36)
FAA Headquarters
800 Independence Ave, SW
Washington, DC 20591
Ph: 202-267-8565
Fax: 202-267-5809
randy.ctr.willis@faa.gov

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03-21-2009 05:44 PM  8 years agoPost 23
iflybyu77

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Randy Willis
Senior Analyst
Unmanned Aircraft Systems Office (AJR-36)
FAA Headquarters
800 Independence Ave, SW
Washington, DC 20591
Ph: 202-267-8565
Fax: 202-267-5809
randy.ctr.willis@faa.gov
I think this information bears repeating, especially for those who might skip over anything Patrick says. Although I'd say it was too hard to ignore, I doubt anyone will call and ask his interpretation.

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03-21-2009 05:51 PM  8 years agoPost 24
sean911sc

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I'm awaiting email response regarding the process.

Has anyone contacted Randy?

William S Harris

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03-21-2009 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 25
rerazor

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Sean,

Please post your results when you get them.

Robert

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03-21-2009 08:00 PM  8 years agoPost 26
videokid

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flyingcam

there website is still up,the only reason we are being beat down is because there are to many greedy power players with deep pockets.there scared we might take some of the work.so they bitch to the FAA like little brats there arejavascript:smilie(''

bayou helicam

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03-21-2009 09:23 PM  8 years agoPost 27
phil007

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You can use blimps,kites,and balloons if they are teathered....Technically if an RC heli or plane was teathered you could use it.
Time to go buy a few hundred feet of fishing line for theathering. Of course it will be Photoshopped out of any aerial pictures.

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03-21-2009 10:41 PM  8 years agoPost 28
rerazor

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Yep, I'm already mounting the rod holders to the belt.

Robert

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03-21-2009 10:44 PM  8 years agoPost 29
iflybyu77

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Just make sure you never let it extend all the way out!!

Watch at YouTube

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03-22-2009 12:37 AM  8 years agoPost 30
cmartin

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Im kinda getting the feeling running off to make noise and do the "Right thing" is starting to cost big time. Might of been better to just fly under the radar, and just play stupid if somebody from the faa shows up.

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03-22-2009 01:06 AM  8 years agoPost 31
patrickegan

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That's a solid business plan if I've every heard one

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03-22-2009 01:10 AM  8 years agoPost 32
500Driver

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I'm available for hire if anyone needs a commercially rated pilot

Rotor and Fixed...

I have my instrument and CFI tickets too if that helps.

Just give me a call...I'm ready to work.

*end of shameless plug*...but it's true...will fly for food.

When in doubt...auto out

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03-22-2009 02:39 AM  8 years agoPost 33
just4fun2

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how much does a commercial license cost and what's involved?

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03-22-2009 02:46 AM  8 years agoPost 34
iflybyu77

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500 - I found my next drug addiction costs more than my r/c one. I'm getting close to the rotory, which has been a long time desire. Stupid expensive at $210/hr + instructor. First 20 have to be w/ instructor too because of the SFAR on the R22's. Ouch.

I always told myself it would be a dumb idea to get my rotory because of the cost - I remember WHY now.

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03-22-2009 04:00 AM  8 years agoPost 35
cmartin

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That's a solid business plan if I've every heard one
From what Ive seen, The end result looks to be about the same anyway

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03-22-2009 06:32 AM  8 years agoPost 36
BIG GUNZ 45

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Of course

My business has gone done the tubes in the last 12 months (commercial photography and art on the Harley Davidson circuit). So what do I, I buy a quad, take a few months to learn how to fly, building my own custom quad, modify cameras for hi res pics and hd video--design and print brochure, make contacts and just getting my first jobs--

Only in America--

back to the drawing board

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03-22-2009 12:20 PM  8 years agoPost 37
rotornoggin

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Do we have free health care yet? Suddenly I've got this pain in my a$$.

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03-22-2009 02:24 PM  8 years agoPost 38
500Driver

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$210/hr. is pretty reasonable by most standards. What's your instructor...about $30?

That's almost what it was when I was actively teaching...but that was 10 years ago! Show's that flight schools are hurting...the one and only heli school here in Asheville just folded up in the middle of the night about a month ago. Sad to see them go...I was hoping to do some part-time work for them.

I agree with the sentiment that it's pretty stupid to require a full-scale rating to fly 'our stuff'. I can understand requiring a full-scale rating to fly something that actually participates in the NAS...but I've never come close to having a problem with an RC aircraft. Doing power-line work I routinely operated down at or BELOW tree-top level...there was even an RC field adjacent to a major AEP facility that I landed at weekly. No issues...ever.

I honestly don't believe that many (any?) of us actually get close to 500' (FPV'ers are the exception I'd say). Most 'regular' line of sight pilots probably don't go much above even 100'. Once you start getting to 3 digit altitudes it probably makes more sense to use a full-scale anyway. Is Greg M. reading this?

In my opinion even requiring a "special" license/rating of any sort to fly a 'recreational RC aircraft' is ridiculous. Requiring something like AMA membership...ok...that's reasonable. Requiring record keeping (the FAA loves record keeping)...sure, fine. Compliance with some sort of standard...whatever you want to call it...ok...I can buy that.

Bottom line...knowing how to fly a full-scale helicopter will NOT make you a better 'RC pilot'...I know...I fly both...and in fact I'm a pretty lousy RC pilot even though I have thousands of hours behind a 'real' cyclic.

Over the years I've flown all around the country, been 'based' at numerous airports and operated out of hundreds and not once been 'ramp checked' by the FAA. I'm not suggesting to 'play dumb'...but...the FAA doesn't have the time, budget or man-power to go after everyone and your odds are pretty good that you won't get 'caught'

You've been warned Don't try to sue me if you do get caught...just an opinion.

When in doubt...auto out

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03-22-2009 03:31 PM  8 years agoPost 39
chris24g

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Coptervision has not shut down, per se. They were bought by a company that produces military equipment.

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03-22-2009 08:07 PM  8 years agoPost 40
totu

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Deciding whether getting a Commercial Pilots certificate is trivial is a personal judgement.

On top of having your Private certificate, you need a minimum of 250hours pilot time logged, take training for commercial maneuvers and do your commercial flight-test in a 'complex aircraft' (more fuel-burning horse-power with constant-speed (variable pitch) prop and retractable landing gear.

Normally you also need to have your instrument rating (not trivial or easy) but you could get a waiver to go without by giving up some priviliges.

Start to finish over $15,000+ in todays costs? That would be a low-ball estimate.

Why would they want you to have a certificate? Their big issue is integrating UAV operations in the current environment. That is helped a great deal by having operators who are certifiably aero-educated and certifiably appreciate what's happening up there. It also makes it easier to punish violators, you can simply yank their certificate without much process. A person who has invested the time-and-effort to get required certificates would tend to 'fly right' out of fear of consequences.

I also have my Commercial Pilots certificate but don't see blue-sky opportunities for rcap for myself, yet. Depends on what the new regs look like. So far the situation looks constipated from my view too.

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