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03-21-2009 03:27 AM  8 years agoPost 1
xfc3dcd

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03-21-2009 03:34 AM  8 years agoPost 2
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So, if you are using your RC heli or airplane to take video or shoot stills for your clients or even just to promote your own company you're doing so without FAA approval and you're subject to being shut down and potentially fined. End of story.

For those who are already shooting RC aerials for commercial purposes: Stop what you're doing and read over this information before you make one more flight. For those who are intending to get into this relatively new market: Don't. Until this gets sorted out by the FAA and whatever organization gets formed to manage this it's a non-starter as you'll be entering into an illegal operation from day one.
Time for everyone to get there Commercial Pilots license's.

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03-21-2009 03:47 AM  8 years agoPost 3
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Time for everyone to get there Commercial Pilots license's.
Process begun actually. Spent a couple hours in a R22 today too..

What's sick is once again the crowd of "I don't believe it" could probably dismiss this too. I didn't check yet to see if FlyingCam's website was down..

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03-21-2009 04:04 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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Coptervision's site is no longer. I suspect they are one of the two mentioned.

The naysayers can ignore all they want. Truth is regulation IS coming.

But for the guys like Flying Cam and Coptervision who do feature motion picture work it only means producers will have those shots done out of country where there is no regulation.... like I dunno... Mexico?

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03-21-2009 04:36 AM  8 years agoPost 5
iflybyu77

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Insane. Coptervision is down. Really.. still ignoring the problem people?

Who was this guy from the FAA anyways? Know who that is Patrick?

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03-21-2009 04:44 AM  8 years agoPost 6
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Don't be too put off by the commercial pilot's license aspect if that becomes an issue. It's easier to get than you might think. You can get a regular pilot's license in a small aircraft and it's just a small step beyond that to get a commercial license. Some of you are spending a lot of money on your systems and this license is probably not going to be all that much in comparison. For a small operator, that's a slightly different issue.

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03-21-2009 04:47 AM  8 years agoPost 7
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You forgot to read the part about "fixed wing" and "rotary wing". If you fly a helo you will need a commercial rotary wing endorsement. Wow, most people are screwed!

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03-21-2009 04:54 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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Those that have looked into a pilots license know it's no small task (time and cost). Lets be real. Even at "fixed wing" that's only one step in a process that hasn't been defined.

EDIT: Let's get to reading this stuff UAS Policy (05-01)

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03-21-2009 04:59 AM  8 years agoPost 9
AllJeep

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This is something the media should be all over. CNN, NY Times, Washington Post etc!

Anyone have connections in with the Press?

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03-21-2009 05:00 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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Cliff notes version…
That guy called Rick (President of RCAPA) and asked him about starting an RC AP business. Rick said it’s all muffed up and that now may not be the time. He was all spooled up and ready to make the buy in and Rick suggested that he call D.C. to get the strait poop. The post in the link I believe is the result. Don't know anything about Flying cam , I saw Emmanuel in Paris last summer he said the FAA was fully aware of their operations and okay with it???

I go to D.C. next week for one of the last meetings and I don’t think it’s going to be pretty. I believe they need to clarify “compensation and hire” and 14 CFR 119 I don’t carry people or other people’s property for hire! Now if they only had one of these emoticons wearing a tricorn.

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03-21-2009 05:02 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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Now Why on Earth would you be required to be a licensed pilot to fly a remote controled aircraft.
That is nonsense.

Now if they had a differant class of license for RC aircraft for the use in business.
That would make sense as they would be flying in close proximity to civilians.

I would also agree with this proposal to license RC operators

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03-21-2009 06:02 AM  8 years agoPost 12
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One thing I didn't see mentioned in the original thread is the FAA apparently is examining the use of "model" aircraft for "commercial" purposes and is inviting comment.
So how does this affect guys like Allen Szabo and Jason Kruose who fly r/c helis for money? They aren't doing a/p work BUT they are getting paid to fly??

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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03-21-2009 01:07 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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So how does this affect guys like Allen Szabo and Jason Kruose who fly r/c helis for money? They aren't doing a/p work BUT they are getting paid to fly??
If you fly something and get paid to do it you need a commercial license.

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03-21-2009 01:38 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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If you fly something and get paid to do it you need a commercial license.
If I got paid to fly a kite would I need a commercial license ?

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03-21-2009 01:50 PM  8 years agoPost 15
oakley

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If I got paid to fly a kite would I need a commercial license ?
No,because that is teathered to the ground (or someone or something on the ground).

You can use blimps,kites,and balloons if they are teathered....Technically if an RC heli or plane was teathered you could use it.

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03-21-2009 01:53 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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<<The FAA recognizes that people and
companies other than modelers might
be flying UAS with the mistaken
understanding that they are legally
operating under the authority of AC 91–
57. AC 91–57 only applies to modelers,
and thus specifically excludes its use by
persons or companies for business
purposes.
The FAA has undertaken a safety
review that will examine the feasibility
of creating a different category of
unmanned ‘‘vehicles’’ that may be
defined by the operator’s visual line of
sight and are also small and slow
enough to adequately mitigate hazards
to other aircraft and persons on the
ground. The end product of this analysis
may be a new flight authorization
instrument similar to AC 91–57, but
focused on operations which do not
qualify as sport and recreation, but also
may not require a certificate of
airworthiness. They will, however,
require compliance with applicable
FAA regulations and guidance
developed for this category. >>

So what or when is this different category going to be created?

Sorry for the format.

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03-21-2009 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 17
torenhg

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Sounds to me that they are getting worried about people who may take another leap and start flying around using a video screen in their basement, not using personal line of sight to the UAV to judge and perform flight maneuvers.

There is very likely safety, airspace control, and homeland security components to this that will likely be a backbone of the defense.

As a private pilot (and RC flyer) i can understand that we should know the FAA rules and reporting requirements for the area we are flying but I can personally attest that putting my hands on the yoke and feet on the peddles are apples and oranges to controlling a plane or heli using an rc transmitter.

Would make sense to:

o Exclude UAVs that are either tethered and/or that remain within the line of sight of the pilot in command.

Glad to see things are much better and that Obama is focusing on the important stuff to improve the economy.

o Step 1 - Flap Rhetoric
o Step 2 - Joke
o Step 3 - Print lotsa (or is it ludicrous amounts of) money
o Step 4 - Give to failing companies who dont deserve it
o Step 5 - Take money away from people who have jobs
(the better the job, the more to take away)
o Step 6 - Take more money away from people with jobs
o Step 7 - Create law that will eliminate people's ability to work
o Step 8 - Spend and tax the country to properity
o Step 9 - When the above does not work, Repeat step 1-8

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03-21-2009 04:22 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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So how does this affect guys like Allen Szabo and Jason Kruose who fly r/c helis for money? They aren't doing a/p work BUT they are getting paid to fly??
Contest flying has been going on for some time now. They are basically in a controlled space and sanctioned AMA event. This isn't the same as flying a UAS. Based on UAS Policy (05-01) there are currently two categories/authorities governing UAS and near allow compensation
Small Unmanned Aircraft System Aviation Rulemaking Committee

Purpose: The law enforcement and aerial photography industries, plus others conducting remote sensing activities, have mistakenly interpreted FAA advisory circular (AC) 91-57, Model Aircraft Operating Standards, for permission to operate small UAS for research or compensation or hire purposes. To promote safety while updating and clarifying guidance, FAA will conduct a formal safety analysis of small UAS, and then promulgate federal regulations for their design, operation and registration.

Stephen A. Glowacki, AIR (202-385-4677)
Bruce Tarbert, AIR (202-385-4677)

Charter expiration: April 10, 2010
Order 1110.150 (PDF)
All our effort here need to be redirected.

William S Harris

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03-21-2009 04:33 PM  8 years agoPost 19
patrickegan

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05-01 has been updated to the less favorable 08-01

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cer...idance08-01.pdf

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03-21-2009 05:13 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Flying Cam is still in business. Most know the story behind the other.

http://www.flying-cam.com/about.php

Current Federal Aviation Regulations as of March 2009.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...aa_regulations/

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