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03-20-2009 08:35 PM  8 years agoPost 1
mexitom

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all in the subject...
is it forbiden??

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03-20-2009 08:43 PM  8 years agoPost 2
TaleGunner

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whats FBL

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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03-20-2009 08:44 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Mapleleafs

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1)No, not at all.

2)FBL-stand for Flybarless...

3) Mostly because they either A like the feeling of the flybar better or B are not sponsored by a FBL company such as Mikado.

Vbar Trex 700N, Vbar MSH Protos 500, Vbar Logo 400

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03-20-2009 08:53 PM  8 years agoPost 4
TaleGunner

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FBL! first time Ive heard that one
Yep I needed on more acronym to remember

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Spectra-G, Ion X-2

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03-20-2009 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 5
TOSH

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Might mean in F3C
l think its banned there. The`re only just getting their heads aroung gyros.

Flybars. Who needs `em.

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03-21-2009 12:16 AM  8 years agoPost 6
mchammer

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Curtis Youngblood was flying one, one year in the xfc or one of those competitions,cant remember which one for sure, but I believe he won with it as well.

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03-21-2009 12:26 AM  8 years agoPost 7
mchammer

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Here is the link regarding Curtis.

http://curtisyoungblood.com/faqs/search.php?id=1980

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03-21-2009 12:34 AM  8 years agoPost 8
baddynergy

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I may be wrong but I believe team pilots have to have a relativly stock machine. IE if you fly for Align, the heli pretty much has to be all Align. This is not because of rules but by-laws in their contracts with their sponsor.

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03-21-2009 12:35 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Jeff polisena

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My opinion is that when you fly FBL tricks are locked so transitions are more robotic . This is one of the reasons I went back to flybar .When you do a lot of fast transitions or tricks that require a momentum transition it feels like you are forcing heli into trick and it is not as smooth.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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03-21-2009 12:55 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Cul-tech

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Rather than spend all their time making little program adjustments here and there they would rather be flying becoming a better pilot!

Mike

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03-21-2009 12:59 AM  8 years agoPost 11
deafheliflyer

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FBL

After seeing Kyle Dahl fly flybarless...

It convinced me that you can do more manuevers quicker than the flybar setup..

Maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me LOL

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!

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03-21-2009 01:05 AM  8 years agoPost 12
cation3

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baddraptor, +1.

What if you were sponsored (as in payed) to fly for a company and with a flybar-less setup were basically saying, "Company X's heli flys great and I love it, but it REQUIRES a stabilization system and their flybar sucks!!!"

Do you think that is properly representing what WE might buy?

-Drew

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03-21-2009 01:32 AM  8 years agoPost 13
cudaboy_71

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baddraptor, +1.

What if you were sponsored (as in payed) to fly for a company and with a flybar-less setup were basically saying, "Company X's heli flys great and I love it, but it REQUIRES a stabilization system and their flybar sucks!!!"

Do you think that is properly representing what WE might buy?
not a great supposition. so, as long as we're supposing...what if 'company X' offers a flybarless and a flybarred system. are they admitting that one of their products sucks? no, it's just a different configuration that flies differently. goes to flight preferences.

all of course IMHO.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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03-21-2009 01:58 AM  8 years agoPost 14
baddynergy

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[quotenot a great supposition. so, as long as we're supposing...what if 'company X' offers a flybarless and a flybarred system. are they admitting that one of their products sucks? no, it's just a different configuration that flies differently. goes to flight preferences[/quote]

Good guess but only somewhat correct. After having flown with a TT pilot for a bit. I asked why he didnt fly a kasama head or anything. I was told he had to have his heli all TT. TT, Align, Jr, and most of the others do not have a FBL head so they cannot use a FBL head. Thats not to say that if they did have a FBL head that they could not use it. Its just that the TOP pilots all fly for teams that do not offer the FBL head.

Now if you fly Mikado you do have the option. And I would be willing to bet that Align is going to come out with a FBL soon. And their pilots if they choose will be using also

PS, this does NOT apply to Hobby shop or aftermarket sponsored pilots, only manafacturer team pilots.

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03-21-2009 02:03 AM  8 years agoPost 15
deafheliflyer

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hi

badraptor..

So, some top pilots probably have a FBL bird or two and they fly on their own, just not when promoting X-Company Branded Helicopters??

Or not correct?

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03-21-2009 02:05 AM  8 years agoPost 16
baddynergy

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So, some top pilots probably have a FBL bird or two and they fly on their own, just not when promoting X-Company Branded Helicopters??
Correct. But when they are in competition representing their company, they had better be flying the right equipment.

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03-21-2009 03:25 AM  8 years agoPost 17
cudaboy_71

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Good guess but only somewhat correct. After having flown with a TT pilot for a bit. I asked why he didnt fly a kasama head or anything. I was told he had to have his heli all TT. TT, Align, Jr, and most of the others do not have a FBL head so they cannot use a FBL head. Thats not to say that if they did have a FBL head that they could not use it. Its just that the TOP pilots all fly for teams that do not offer the FBL head.

Now if you fly Mikado you do have the option. And I would be willing to bet that Align is going to come out with a FBL soon. And their pilots if they choose will be using also
i fully understand, and subscribe to that logic. i was just saying it's not because the manufacturer would be admitting their equipment 'required' additional hardware to fly in a non-suckworthy manner, as cation3 had indicated.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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03-21-2009 05:31 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Ghostrider

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Most of the pros I have asked about FBL say it sucks unless it's on a Logo. It just does not feel right. I have never flown one so I don't have an opinion but from what I have read, it looks to be more trouble than it's worth.

Even Matt Botos who is a logo sponsored pilot and somewhat of an expert said he was done with it because it just does not work right on nitro birds. He said maybe in the future but right now it's not good enough.

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03-21-2009 05:44 AM  8 years agoPost 19
blbills

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I heard that JK down in Phoenix said that he doesn't like FBL b/c is isn't as predictable down on the deck as the flybar.

Brian

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03-21-2009 05:59 AM  8 years agoPost 20
cudaboy_71

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i dunno. for the top-level (and, i mean really top shelf) maybe that holds true.

and, yes it is a a tinkerer's hobby at this point...at least with the vbar. there are a TON of settings you can tweak...but, i don't hold that as a negative. in fact, i believe that is the mantra of German engineering.

but, i have found:

A) Vbar eliminates a significant amount of head mass resulting in:

-longer flight times with cooler running motors (especially elecric)...cooler packs on electrics, too.
-quicker cyclics than you can ever achieve with a flybar. extend the flybar and lighten the paddles on a flybar to get quicker cyclic, but lose power, flight time and agility to the larger flybar disc.

B) Direct swash to grip connection allows nearly unlimited pitch throw (not that there isn't a ceiling to the physics of flight, but you could adjust in 18° of collective if you wanted to) resulting in

-incredible poppiness of stopping maneuvers
-sick climbouts

C) aww, c'mon you know it looks sick. you just can't bring yourself to justify spending enough $$$ on electronics that could put a decent 50-class heli in the air.

FYI, vbar on 700N from yesterday. note: the out of the box config DID feel very different that a traditional flybar. after many many tweaks it feels as stable as a flybar with all the aforementioned benefits.

Watch at Vimeo

*not me flying. but, i have flown more than a few flights on this heli whilst getting it dialed in.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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