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03-20-2009 06:15 AM  8 years agoPost 1
misskimo

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hey, Carlo had me a supprised this past week, looks cool huh
the little cold Eskimo in the bottom right corner, he he

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03-20-2009 11:17 AM  8 years agoPost 2
stanc

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Ya that's really cool Tony, now if he would surprise the rest of us by putting the probar on the market or at least answering a PM.

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03-20-2009 11:32 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Ben-T-Spindle

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What does it cost?
Is it 2-axis or 3-axis?

... BTS

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03-20-2009 11:35 AM  8 years agoPost 4
stanc

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3-axis and no one knows what the cost is because he doesn't sell them yet.

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03-20-2009 02:01 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Janis

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3-axis and no one knows what the cost is because he doesn't sell them yet.
As Iam aware of its only 2 axis-so you will need a gyro for the tail

Janis

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03-20-2009 02:16 PM  8 years agoPost 6
humax

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What does it cost?
Is it 2-axis or 3-axis?
Carlo said that Probar will be released as a 2-axis system for the first time. But now he's still working up the 3-axis Probar version which should appear after 2-axis one. However, there will be no significant differences between them beacuse 2-axis version has all the features of 3-axis system because it analyses an imput control of a rudder from TX and adjusts properly cyclic controls during pirouettes. Actually market needs 2-axis Probar rather than 3-axis now because most of us already have good gyros and look forward just to the new promising cyclic stabilizer.

In my opinion I consider the best initial price for the 2-axis unit should be no more than 250USD (better 249USD)

Rost

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03-20-2009 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Riq

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I would like to be able to sell my existing gyros and use an all in one soln, as opposed to adding more....Whats next, a burrito warmer on the exhaust?

~3 axis is prefered to 2 for me.

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03-20-2009 02:42 PM  8 years agoPost 8
ppridday

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Whats next, a burrito warmer on the exhaust?
That's ridiculous.... The burrito will fall off and trash your blades the first time you go inverted...

Paul

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03-20-2009 02:55 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Horacio

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I bet the Probar is going to be one heck of a unit!

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03-20-2009 03:25 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Riq

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No way, Ill run both, and cant wait until I have the chance.

C is a good guy and this product is going to rock.

Humm, inverted burrito salad, just add grass!

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03-20-2009 03:58 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Hoverup

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I've been flying a ProBar fbless Furion 450 for several weeks now and have to say it's a great system. One of the biggest advantages is the totally intuitive method for setting the unit up. I also fly most of the competitior's systems including the GyroBot 900 and must say this is a great two axis system. Perfect piece for scale model flying which is my area of interest.

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03-20-2009 06:47 PM  8 years agoPost 12
QueeQueg

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Two axis is OK and that's what I'm doing now with the SK360 / DS 760.

I like the idea of the 3 axis for mini helis and for the bigger helis as well if the tail gyro performs as well as the DS760. Just simpler and less hardware.

But eliminating all the extra cables and RX with the also not yet released MiniBar has really got my attention.

Get these things to market. It's hard holding my breath waiting on one piece of vaporware let alone two

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03-20-2009 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 13
humax

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~3 axis is prefered to 2 for me.
There is a variety of existing 3-axis sysems at the market. So, what are you waiting for? Do you expect a miracle from Probar? I wouldn't do so. In addition, it is unfair to compare 2-axis system with 3-axis ones. As a matter of fact, an idea to build Probar came into Carlo's mind more that two years ago when the cheapest 3-axis stabilizing system did cost around thousand bucks. Without a doubt this is just the next step towards the future superior 3-axis system.

Personally I see two positive things. First, appearance of the new rival will push current prices lower. Secondly, Probar is going to be more advanced device than its Canadian competitor having some weak poins such as lack of interaction with a tail gyro and complicated initial installation procedure. I hope so. IAE Probar team has really worked hard.

Rost

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03-20-2009 10:06 PM  8 years agoPost 14
QueeQueg

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How does the Probar read the rudder signals.

I ask because I only see seven plugs. I assume that's 3 cyclic RX inputs three cyclic servo outputs and one Aux that is for TX remote control of the Probar. Is this correct?

Where does the rudder signal come in?

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03-20-2009 11:24 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Ben-T-Spindle

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Personally I see two positive things. First, appearance of the new rival will push current prices lower.
Do you really think that it will have a significantly lower price than the SK360?

... BTS

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03-20-2009 11:29 PM  8 years agoPost 16
humax

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I think it would be better if you listen to the primary source. Please just download this podcast then rewind it to 21m15s and start.
[url=http://media.libsyn.com/media/insideheli/InsideHeli_47_-_Probar-Flybarless.mp3]
At that recording Carlo gives some explanation concerned the interaction between an existing gyro and Probar unit. He said it's just a wire tap-off to rudder channel.

P.S. I urgently suggest you to listen to the whole podcast. I'm sure there is a lot of interesting information has never been published about the subject.

Rost

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03-20-2009 11:33 PM  8 years agoPost 17
QueeQueg

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Right now the ProBar is listed at $299.99. The SK360 is listed at $279.99.

And I don't know if this is a one of kind or not but RREMODELs has a listing for SK360 at $249.99 "without USB cord" which is fine be me since I have one already.

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03-21-2009 12:10 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Ben-T-Spindle

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I have one SK360 and am happy with it. I am looking to convert another helicopter this summer and that $250 for the SK360 looks good. I sure wish there were a good estimate on the ProBar, as I would pay a little more if it is significantly better but I am not willing to delay my purchase much longer.

It’s sounds like the beta tests are going well so what’s the hold up.

... BTS

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03-21-2009 12:27 AM  8 years agoPost 19
humax

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Do you really think that it will have a significantly lower price than the SK360?
In that sentence there was just my statement abut near future of the flybarless market. And I meant that the whole market is in a downtrend. If you remember there was a decrease in SK-360 price in Sep '08. This is the high-tech market where life of each new technology is relatively short. It's like a CPU market or mobile phones market etc.

What about Probar? Browsing the Internet I found just two records about Probar prices and they are different. One of them is RREMODEL where 299USD is shown, the other is SELECTRONIC RC where is the following message:
10.12.2008

Although development is behind schedule we assure everyone that it will be well worth the wait. The Probar will not only be feature packed and fully customizable, but also a mature product ensuring hassle free use and minimal need for future updates. The picture below is a prototype of the metal cased version of the Probar that will be available. The first version to be released will be the Probar lite which includes all the same hardware and software as the metal cased version with the exception of having a heatshrink case for lighter weight and a more compact fit. Retail for the Probar lite is $250 and an estimated $285 for the metal cased version.
As it can be noticed they are going to offer Probar in two cases - plastic and metal.

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03-21-2009 12:54 AM  8 years agoPost 20
QueeQueg

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Sellectronic RC is the actual manufacturers website. Carlos, Chris Etc.

RREmodels is Bobby Smith who said in the earlier Probar thread that he was going to be the Probar distributor. His $299.99 is the latest posted price.

I wish Carlos or Bobby or somebody would jump in here and give us an update. We know you're reading this

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