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03-20-2009 01:53 AM  8 years agoPost 21
deafheliflyer

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hi

rex.

This was for hard core 3D.

Not "basic throttle curves"

FYI

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!

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03-20-2009 01:55 AM  8 years agoPost 22
kogibankole

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can you explain further how it is technically not true?

Plus you are adding extra stuff to get unplugged or fail during flight. Governor is nice for AP, but for stick banging 3D I prefer curves.
It will increase throttle if your motor bogs down
...exactly what I just said

if im not blade bogging youll find me pack puffing

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03-20-2009 02:08 AM  8 years agoPost 23
rotormonkey

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Maybe I just misunderstood what you were saying. All I meant was that it'll handle control of the throttle servo instead of the radio. And that it'll also lower the throttle if headspeed is too high. Not just increase if it's too low.

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03-20-2009 02:32 AM  8 years agoPost 24
cstoneman

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I don't have one. And since I have 6 helis and soon will have 9, if they are great, I don't want to know, as I have spent all my money.

Seriously, I am sure they are great, but if you work at it, you can get your curves pretty good.

I guess it depends, I personaly like the part of getting a new bird setup. For some it is a hassle, and for some of us, we enjoy it.

Over the years, it has become easier to get the curves setup. You learn to use your ears, and it isn't too hard.

As for gyros, no way I'm doing without one of those.

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03-20-2009 02:45 AM  8 years agoPost 25
skypup

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I've been flying electric helis for 10 years or so. I only sport fly and could care less about 3D. I first tried a governor with a kontronik SMILE on my old Eco 8 and than BEAT controller. Funny, I don't care for HH gyros that much but I love a governor. It makes the head soooo smooth and collective pitch control really precise. I've gotten close with curves. A consistent head speed also translates to a consistent tailrotor.

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03-20-2009 04:37 AM  8 years agoPost 26
drdot

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fwiw...

Geez..We don't have one here in CA and things are really going to he11!

John

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03-20-2009 04:54 AM  8 years agoPost 27
airboss

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LOL LOL LOL

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03-20-2009 05:33 AM  8 years agoPost 28
Helinutnz

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I have one comment about curves.......you can stick them where the sun don't shine.

Can I set them?...yes....do I want to?....not one bit. I have and will always have governors as they take no time to set up and do a job for you. The purists will waste their time phaffing about with curves.
but I don't think it makes a difference whether you learn it now or learn it later IMO
And it's simply unimportant and most surely will become a thing of the past. Anything happens and I hit hold so no curve will help there.

Do you need one? Nope.
Are you nuts if you don't have one....yep. (sorry guys that don't use them......you are not really nuts!)Just my own opinion.

Just have a basic as nuts curve in case the gov fails to get you home in normal mode or flick into TH and auto down. That is if you can auto and if you can't it should be learnt. My rev max curve is flat line 100%.....don't bother with tweaking here and there....just flat line it and set the headspeed with the gov function in the radio.

Trex 700N holds perfect headspeed and the revmax has done many many flights without issue. I also use an ATG and a throttle jockey pro as well as the align gov. Revmax works the best for me.

Cheers. I'd get one.

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03-20-2009 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 29
cstoneman

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That's a good one John.

The last fun I had before leaving California was getting rid of Grey Davis. Lucky for me, I haven't been there to suffer through the idiot that replaced him.

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03-20-2009 06:21 AM  8 years agoPost 30
mchammer

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Without a gov you are limited in what you can give the heli collective wise to keep it from overspeeding in a hard fast descent.

I have run helis both ways and ran curves before governors existed. You have alot more freedom on the collective with a gov than without one. On the machines without I find myself contantly working the flight mode switch to prevent overspeed that is experienced at times with a very agressive throttle curve. For beginners other than taking the guesswork out of setting up curves it isnt necessary. When you consider how inexpensive one can get an align gov it is realy a no brainer to have one.

On my governed machines I run 100% curve and let the gov do its job.
If it fails its no big deal as Helinutz said.

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!

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03-20-2009 08:51 AM  8 years agoPost 31
TOSH

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The purists will waste their time phaffing about with curves.
Thats exactly what we used to do before we had governors. Every flight you would see the guys land and tweek the throttle curve, me included. That stopped as soon as we had them. Sure you can fly without them but if you think you can set curves to work as well as a governor you`re just kidding your self. l like the Revmax limiter my self with 100% throttle, because it works so well and the fact l mostly fly electric now l havent got to try these newer ones.

Flybars. Who needs `em.

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03-21-2009 12:45 AM  8 years agoPost 32
cstoneman

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I may be nuts, but if I get one and really like it, then I have to buy 8 more.

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03-21-2009 01:25 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Mcginty

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Say you are performing something like continuious aileron tictoks and you are using the revmax with a 100% throttle curve on points 12345, as you start loading the head after 4/5 tictocs your throttle will be fully open as the revmax attemps to speed up the now bogged head, giving you maximum possible power at all stick positions,

where as with a throttle curve as you move the collective stick up and down while performing the tictocs your throttle servo is moving between approx 100% and 75% so therefore you have less power to perform the same manouver so

For on the limit, all out 3d a gov/revlimiter will give you the edge and more power, and the price is no more than a Friday Night on the Piss.

Where we drink straight from the flask.

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03-21-2009 01:28 AM  8 years agoPost 34
mchammer

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I may be nuts, but if I get one and really like it, then I have to buy 8 more.
start saving your money.

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!

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03-21-2009 01:36 AM  8 years agoPost 35
rotormonkey

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Any monkey can bang the sticks back and forth to do tic-tocs (including me). If you're good, you won't need the gov as you can manage the collective well enough with curves not to bog the head down too much. Which method will teach you better? A gov and banging the sticks around? Or flying through them?

How many maneuvers do you think you can do without a governer? I'd say pretty well all of them.

The only thing I have against 'em is that they're the stick-banger's dream come true. imho if you think you NEED one, you probably shouldn't have one.

All that being said, I bet they're really nice to have.. Now if I could just get mine working....

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03-21-2009 01:59 AM  8 years agoPost 36
cstoneman

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Seriously, the thread is "How essential is a Governor??"

I think that with the right tuning skills and talent, it probably isn't essential.

Some people like tuning curves, and part of the hobby for me is tuning.

As technology goes forward, I can crash a $2000 bird on the sim, and only have to push a little button, and all is back to new.

Want something new, I don't have to build, adjust servo links, or anything else, just download a new model file. In that extreme, why bother with real models in the first place?

It's all good, and flying without a governor is good for me.

I only say this, because newbies will think that their life is not whole because they don't have one.

We do this hobby for the challenge. If you don't have something that makes it easier, is that a bad thing. Well maybe if you are in competition.

I found out that competing in FAI with a 30 was not going to work. So I spent a bunch of money on a .90. Did it make me a better pilot, NO.

Did my point score go up, YES.

It's all relative, and I believe that you can have a hell of a lot of fun, and a personal lifetime challenge without spending a ton of money.

It just depends if you are challenging yourself or trying to win competitions or praise from others.

Once the fun is gone, it's not fun. Once you worry about not having worthy equipment that pleases others, the fun is gone.

Hell, I have fun flying my wife's mCX through the house. Hardly takes much skill, but it sure is fun.

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03-21-2009 04:51 PM  8 years agoPost 37
Mcginty

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Very true

I would say on a scale of one to ten with one being non essential and ten being very essential I would rate the governor at 1 because technically you do not require one to fly 3d,

And while I agree that any monkey can stick bang I have found that the fitting of a govner has improved my flying,and I do notice it has more power so I will continue to use one on my heli

Where we drink straight from the flask.

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03-21-2009 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 38
Aox

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Essential? Not at all. I've flown my N9 without one for a year now. I like tuning curves. I'm good at it now.

Do I want one? Sure. I want a MultiGov Pro.

Have I needed one? Not enough to prioritze a gov over new packs for the shavers.

-Aox

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03-21-2009 04:58 PM  8 years agoPost 39
Aaron29

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It's a tough balance. What you need, vs. what makes flying easier. Taken to either extreme flying wouldn't be as fun.

Let's say you like nothing on your heli, no gov no gyro. Flying would be challenging to perform even basic hovering. Perhaps you would find that fun, perhaps not.

But let's say you like 6 axis stabilization and everything on your heli so you can nap while your heli is flying, Id argue that theres no challenge (fun) in that.

If you like governors, great. But they are not "essential." Learning how to make a throttle curve is not that difficult, and probably makes you understand your heli better. And if you like tweaking, then it would be fun...

I might as well end my post by stating that NONE of this is ESSENTIAL. You don't need a radio, or heli. This is a HOBBY and whatever YOU want to put on your heli, no one else should really care so long as the person is enjoying themselves. Our conversations border what kind of bathing suit you should wear when surfing.

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03-21-2009 05:02 PM  8 years agoPost 40
Aox

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Aaron, come on man... Get real...

Everyone knows the Speedo SlikSkin X9000 is the best surfing suit...

Sheesh... some people...

-Aox

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