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03-19-2009 03:09 PM  8 years agoPost 1
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I guess they did not plan out the alternatives when they committed to close gitmo. This is unbelievable. Especially given that those deemed less of a threat have already been released, dozens have rejoined the jihad including the new leader of the fighters in Afghanistan.

Now Eric Holder says some may be released inside the US (since their home countries don't want them back).

The Obama administration is clearly over its head.

""For "people who can be released there are a variety of options that we have and among them is the possibility is that we would release them into this country," Mr. Holder said. "That process is ongoing and we've not made any determinations or made any requests of anybody at this point."""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.html

Watch the polling numbers fall and the backlash build up.

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03-19-2009 03:16 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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Hell with that.. we don't want them f*&ckers in this country either. deport those terrorist scumbags to freaking Antarctica then.

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03-19-2009 03:18 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Unfortunately, whether their country wants them or not, that's where they need to go. No one in their right mind wants them here, unless they go to trial and are found guilty and spend their life in prison.

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03-19-2009 03:54 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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Unfortunately, we broke it, so we have to fix it.

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03-19-2009 03:55 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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"For "people who can be released there are a variety of options that we have and among them is the possibility is that we would release them into this country," Mr. Holder said.
The perfect Obama administration terrorist cell within the USA. All legal and refined.

Nice. Real nice.

No doubt, they will blame it on Bush.

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03-19-2009 03:59 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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OCB,

Do you agree with the decision to release those terrorist fighters in this country?

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03-19-2009 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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No, the system is working, liberals made it an issue to bash Bush and they have broken it. Now the liberals own it.

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03-19-2009 04:25 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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Do you agree with the decision to release those terrorist fighters in this country?
If they are convicted "terrorist fighters," then no they should not be released anywhere. Problem is that they haven't had legal and lawful trials to convict them of anything. The fact that they come from foreign countries and have muslim sounding names is not reason enough to convict them of anything. If they are legally convicted then they should be imprisoned. I've said all this before.
No, the system is working,
How did it work?

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03-19-2009 04:30 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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Problem is that they haven't had legal and lawful trials to convict them of anything
Aren't people who are accused of violent crimes, such as murder, held in a jail until they can be tried if they are deemed a flight risk or a risk to society?

Why don't you consider these terrorist fighters a risk to our society?
The fact that they come from foreign countries and have muslim sounding names is not reason enough to convict them of anything.
I doubt that's the only reason these detainees have been locked up...

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03-19-2009 04:37 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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If they are convicted "terrorist fighters," then no they should not be released anywhere. Problem is that they haven't had legal and lawful trials to convict them of anything. The fact that they come from foreign countries and have muslim sounding names is not reason enough to convict them of anything. If they are legally convicted then they should be imprisoned. I've said all this before.
Well then. That means you support Holders view that some of these guys are going to be released inside the USA.

Real nice Ozark. Real nice.

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03-19-2009 04:39 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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It is working because these individuals are contained.

They are not legally entitled to the rights of American citizens. Nor are they legally entitled to the rights spelled out in the Geneva Conventions.

The process of military tribunals was under way. That was the best and most legitimate process given their status. However, for reasons I do not understand, the tribunals were stopped. I do not know if the plan is to try them in US civilian courts, where they could claim new rights they were not previously entitled to.

Ozark what is your recommendation regarding justice for Khaled Sheik Mohammed? The mastermind of 911. A war crime of mass murder of civilians. Do you suggest he be tried in NYC? Where he will be given lawyers, and be able to use US civilian law to thwart justice because of his prior treatment? Will you cheer for his effective defense and release?

This is the corner Obama has put himself in with the promise to close gitmo. Let's see how Americans feel about Obama and the liberals in congress should KSM escape justice, much less to strike again.

The liberal assumption is that these are innocents rounded up for no reason. If you cannot address justice for KSM himself, then you have no moral ground to stand on. I say he should be given a military tribunal and if found guilty executed immediately.

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03-19-2009 04:44 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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Ozark what is your recommendation regarding justice for Khaled Sheik Mohammed? The mastermind of 911. A war crime of mass murder of civilians. Do you suggest he be tried in NYC? Where he will be given lawyers, and be able to use US civilian law to thwart justice because of his prior treatment? Will you cheer for his effective defense and release?
Ozark will never answer that question. If he does, it will not be an answer. It just does not go along with his liberal agenda of Bush Hating.

That is his only agenda here. He very obviously does not give a rip for America's safety.

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03-19-2009 04:45 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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I expected the realization of Obamas failure to be a slow trickle, but instead it is a beautiful rushing torrent not unlike if Hoover Dam were to break.

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03-19-2009 05:05 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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^^I'm not sure I would use the word beautiful in regards to the Hoover dam busting open (unless of course it swept Gimbalfan away!).

I do think the eventual failure of B.O. is happening a whole lot faster than we originally thought however. The guy is in over his head. I really do believe he has good intentions with his liberal ideas (as do a lot of libs), the problem becomes when he tries to implement them and the eventual results. Notice how he backed off the Iraq war pretty fast once he started getting his presidential briefings and realized that reality is much different than perception?

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03-19-2009 05:05 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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Why don't you consider these terrorist fighters a risk to our society?
Where did I say that? I simply said they should get fair trials to prove their guilt or innocence.
They are not legally entitled to the rights of American citizens. Nor are they legally entitled to the rights spelled out in the Geneva Conventions.
Where does it say that the US, or any free country for that matter, can declare that person has no rights whatsoever?
They are either criminals and subject to prosecution under US law or they are POW.

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03-19-2009 05:19 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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You are mistaken. Read the Geneva conventions and tell me where it says that a combatant who targets civilian targets is entitled to POW status. I will then show you where they state that such individuals are specifically excluded from those rights. Those who do not abide by the conventions are not entitled to their benefit.

Having said that, I think that they are getting POW treatment in Gitmo.

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03-19-2009 05:51 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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You are mistaken. Read the Geneva conventions and tell me where it says that a combatant who targets civilian targets is entitled to POW status.
How many of the people held at Gitmo or in Afghanistan targeted US citizens? You seem to want equate everyone that's being held as having direct involvement on the attacks in the US and that's been proven as not true.

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03-19-2009 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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That's fine, don't address KSM or the fundamentals. That would be a good place to start.

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03-19-2009 06:13 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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That's fine, don't address KSM or the fundamentals.
I addressed it, you obviously didn't like it.

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03-19-2009 06:34 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Where did I say that? I simply said they should get fair trials to prove their guilt or innocence.
You didn't outright say it but you sure as hell implied it by saying that they should be released until found guilty. Individuals accused of violent crimes are held in jail until they are put on trial to protect society.

Perhaps, OCB, you should offer these 'unlawfully treated' individuals a place to sleep and a bit to eat when they are released since you seem to love them so much.

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