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03-19-2009 02:11 AM  8 years agoPost 21
Rotor

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Institute the "Fair Tax" and watch all the business come back to the USA...The government has taxed business out of here and into foreign country's... Face it...our government .... Republican and Democrat has sold us out...they all need to go....get rid of everyone of them and I don't care which stupid party they belong to!

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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03-19-2009 02:23 AM  8 years agoPost 22
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DITTO THAT!

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03-19-2009 04:03 AM  8 years agoPost 23
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Sorry, I don't buy that. If you do business in a country that is the 2nd hioghest corporate taxing country in the world, 2nd only to Japan, you might have to make a decision as to why you might want to stay here and do business. That is a choice each business makes. Its a choice that is called Freedom.
Don't buy it all you want. You're wrong, and that is a weak argument. I think you argue with me for the sake of arguing. Because the company is STILL U.S. based, they are paying taxes on what they earned, NOT on what they pay their employees. At the same time, they are doing a disservice to their country by not employing Americans. So you're justifying a company hiring illigal immigrants because they are taxed too heavily? Very weak argument.
Thats exactly what you do. And, its hardly Un American. Unless you are Palosi.
re: attempting to "point out" illigal immigrants.

That is racist, and it is Illigal. It is absolutely Un-American to ASSUME someone is illigal simply because of the way they look. You don't want people judging you before they know who you are do you?

If there is no incentive (or less incentive) because there is no work, they will be less likely to come here. At the same time, they should be deported if they commit a crime, or otherwise show

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03-19-2009 04:11 AM  8 years agoPost 24
baby uh1

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At the same time, they should be deported if they commit a crime, or otherwise show
Good luck with that! My wife worked for the local police and when they would pick up an illegal for a crime they never could get ICE to come and get them. They (ICE) would tell them if we have a bus comming through we'll pick them up otherwise just let them go.
These people were wanted for felonys! The Feds just don't care.

And oh BTW when a local factory was discovered to be giving illegals fake IDs the Feds again ignored it and soon after we started to have people's identities stolen.
The Federal Gov. is very good for causing/allowing problems but worthless for correcting them.

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03-19-2009 04:11 AM  8 years agoPost 25
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re: attempting to "point out" illigal immigrants.

That is racist, and it is Illigal.
illegal

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03-19-2009 04:16 AM  8 years agoPost 26
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Good luck with that! My wife worked for the local police and when they would pick up an illegal for a crime they never could get ICE to come and get them. They (ICE) would tell them if we have a bus comming through we'll pick them up otherwise just let them go.
These people were wanted for felonys! The Feds just don't care.
Ok, well obviously that's what needs to change. If they are not deported in these circumstances, what makes you think that the feds are going to "round them up" and deport them??? I don't think the people are going to be ok with allocating the huge amount of resources it would take to round up, identify, and deport Illegal immigrants.

At the same time, I think that Illegal immigrants who are in good (I suppose this term is relative) standing (meaning the ones that are NOT sapping off the state) should be presented with a work visa, with the agreement that they pay taxes perhaps even a higher rate than a citizen. If they don't agree, back to their country they go.

Rounding them all up and deporting them will never happen. I don't care what political party is in power.

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03-19-2009 04:17 AM  8 years agoPost 27
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re: attempting to "point out" illigal immigrants.

That is racist, and it is Illigal.
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illegal
Thanks Monkey Nuttz. Glad you're around to keep my typing skills in check.

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03-19-2009 04:19 AM  8 years agoPost 28
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What about using the military at the borders to stop the invasion in the first place? If you get caught sneaking into other countries you are jailed if not shot on sight.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-19-2009 04:21 AM  8 years agoPost 29
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What about using the military at the borders to stop the invasion in the first place? If you get caught sneaking into other countries you are jailed if not shot on sight.
Um, so how many of our military will simply be standing guard along the hundred of miles of U.S. border??? Not exactly a feasible solution, but nice try

AGAIN, why not remove the incentive by removing the jobs that they are doing? Why treat the symptoms when the DISEASE can easily be eradicated?

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03-19-2009 04:22 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Dennis (RIP)

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Don't buy it all you want. You're wrong, and that is a weak argument. I think you argue with me for the sake of arguing.
Not at all. You post here, you are going to get some that will disagree with you and point out their views on the same subject. Thats all thats going on here. You are entitled to your views. I am not going to hold that against you. That would be foolish on my part.
Because the company is STILL U.S. based, they are paying taxes on what they earned, NOT on what they pay their employees. At the same time, they are doing a disservice to their country by not employing Americans. So you're justifying a company hiring illigal immigrants because they are taxed too heavily? Very weak argument.
Yes, paying taxes on what they earned. The 2nd highest corporate taxes in the world, as pointed out. There are some companies with low margins James. If they choose to move overseas to keep doing business and avoid those high taxes, then thats their choice. Frankly, I don't blame them. I blame the ones in Washington that create the those taxes and remove incentives to stay in the USA.

I never said employers should be hiring illegals. Have no idea how you got that from my views. Thats a puzzle.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-19-2009 04:25 AM  8 years agoPost 31
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curtis yougblood has alot of has products manufactured overseas for obvious reasons. does that make curtis un-american?

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03-19-2009 04:28 AM  8 years agoPost 32
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There are some companies with low margins
such as?

Walmart?
http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archiv...or_for_profits/
NOPE, plenty of profits.

Nike?
http://www.american.edu/TED/nike.htm
http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/nik...s_carpenter.htm
NOPE, plenty of profits AND children making their products.

Microsoft?
http://uncoveringinformationlabor.b...iddle-east.html
NOPE, still doing pretty good afaik.

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03-19-2009 04:30 AM  8 years agoPost 33
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curtis yougblood has alot of has products manufactured overseas for obvious reasons. does that make curtis un-american?
Not nesscessarily. Did he start by employing lots of Americans, and then move his production overseas leaving hundreds without jobs? Nope, he started small time in a Niche industry, so no I don't think that my comment would reflect Curtis Youngblood.

Like Briggs & Stratton did?
http://www.americanwaymag.com/brigg...kee-john-shiely
Not at all. You post here, you are going to get some that will disagree with you and point out their views on the same subject. Thats all thats going on here. You are entitled to your views. I am not going to hold that against you. That would be foolish on my part.
Dennis...Fair enough.

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03-19-2009 04:32 AM  8 years agoPost 34
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The jobs will be there as long as our Senators need their lawns mown.
So we can patrol South Korea's borders? Germany's? the Ukraine,Iraq, Afganastan? The combined oceans of the fricken World!!!! But not our own borders?
Mind boggeling!

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03-19-2009 04:35 AM  8 years agoPost 35
BJames111

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So we can patrol South Korea's borders? Germany's? the Ukraine,Iraq, Afganastan? The combined oceans of the fricken World!!!! But not our own borders?
not exactly mind boggling as you suggest. In South Korea, Germany, Iraq...etc, the military is looking to prevent the movement of arms, convoys, trucks etc...To prevent every individual from crossing the border...a ludicrous idea at best....completely unfeasible.

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03-19-2009 04:39 AM  8 years agoPost 36
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Not nesscessarily. Did he start by employing lots of Americans, and then move his production overseas leaving hundreds without jobs? Nope, he started small time in a Niche industry, so no I don't think that my comment would reflect Curtis Youngblood.
so as long as you start out by going overseas we're good.

thanks for clearing that up.

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03-19-2009 04:43 AM  8 years agoPost 37
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so as long as you start out by going overseas we're good.
my opinion my friend. also a very small niche market with people unwilling to pay a higher price for American made products.

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03-19-2009 04:46 AM  8 years agoPost 38
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with people unwilling to pay a higher price for American made products.
sounds like the reason i own japanese automobiles.

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03-19-2009 04:57 AM  8 years agoPost 39
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sounds like the reason i own japanese automobiles.
Fantastic for you!

Best selling Truck in America
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford25.html

I own American Vehicles assembled in Dearborn Michigan (Ford f150)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Rouge_Plant

And Kansas City, Missouri
http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/...sp?locale=en_US

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03-19-2009 04:58 AM  8 years agoPost 40
Dennis (RIP)

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I don't know about the others. But, I can speak a bit for WalMart. Their employees like it there. They are a profitable and successful company creating jobs in the USA. I have known some of their employees and a few of their managers.

They (employees that I have known) all say the same thing. The reason the Liberals in Washington do not like them is because they are a non union shop and want to stay that way. Because of that, they are given a bad rap and do not deserve it.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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