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HelicopterCrashed? Discussion and Photos › Is a "tip over" a crash?
03-18-2009 07:58 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Zaneman007

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When does a tipover become a crash?

While doing a nose in auto, my Vibe 50 "tipped over" after I landed. I tried to right it but the headspead wasn't sufficient, and over it went. I didn't think anything about it. But upon closer inspection the maintail gear, and the tail pinion gear were stripped? The main blades got mud on them, but nothing to report.

Is this a "Crash"?

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03-18-2009 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 2
pete haywood

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What is more important is how you feel about it.
Maybe you should think yourself "lucky" - it could have been a lot worse. -

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03-18-2009 09:28 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Frank Bostwick

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If you have to replace a part, sorry its a crash. I struggled with this question as well. I hate it when my flight log, "flights with out crash" number goes back to 0.

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03-18-2009 09:28 PM  8 years agoPost 4
oysifly

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Nope, That would be an accident...

Quick...here comes my wife....hide that new Heli !!!!

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03-18-2009 09:31 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Wingman77

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what about when you have a boom strike then auto and land it gently on the helipad?

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03-18-2009 11:33 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Frank Bostwick

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Ok you asked so no flames my way on this one.
In air blade strike= (most of the time) you had youe blades too loose, which = PE = great save on that crash

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03-18-2009 11:34 PM  8 years agoPost 7
RappyTappy

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it's a crash.

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03-19-2009 12:40 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Zaneman007

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Maybe you should think yourself "lucky" - it could have been a lot worse
Not sure what you mean here?

I did an auto to check the fuel, because..... On the previous flight, I ran out of fuel and did a forced auto.

It's not like I bounced the auto. The heli landed flat, then just started to lean (probably due to something on my end). When I noticed that it was going over, I just didn't have enough head speed to level it back out.

Oh, well.

Looks like its a CRASH?

P.S. you guys are bumming me out.

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03-19-2009 12:51 AM  8 years agoPost 9
RappyTappy

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I caught tail blades upon spool up on a blanket that I had layed down so the heli wouldn't get dust on it. Cost me a only a crown gear, but since it needed parts and was unflyable afterwards, I considered it a crash, albeit a very minor one.

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03-19-2009 01:02 AM  8 years agoPost 10
gian

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Would you call a full-size tip-over a crash? I'm gonna' have to say that a tip-over is a crash.

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03-19-2009 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 11
AltecLansing

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I say crash.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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03-19-2009 02:12 AM  8 years agoPost 12
Ray Fernandez

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I agree with FBoss in that if you have to replace a part, it's a crash. Just recently I started up one of my many helis and when powering up, the bird started to tip over. All I could do was watch as it "tipped" over. After bringing it back to the shed, I noticed that I had the wrong model on the transmitter (DUH!!!!). I gave it a once over, reset the transmitter and started it up again. The heli flew flawlessly. No crash.....

Ray Fernandez - GUAM

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03-19-2009 09:14 AM  8 years agoPost 13
GimbalFan (RIP)

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if you have to replace a part, it's a crash
Or bend one back straight, too.

op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t

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03-19-2009 12:28 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Frank Bostwick

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Well GimbalFan you just beat me to my question. Ive been feeling guilty about this since I was pretty hard core on scoring and I did not count this last one as a crash. So now I will come clean and throw myself on the judgment of the jury.

Had a flame out 2 days ago. Had to auto into low brush on a steep hill. The heli tipped over and a boom strike insued. No other damage not even stripped tail gears (TT tail drive) The boom was dented (.25"+ deep x 1" long) and bent ever so slightly. I was worried that my TT might rub on the dent so I replaced the boom only, less than 10min job) filled and flew fine. I have since repaired the dent. Turned on lathe a metal plug the exact ID of boom x 3" long and pushed it thru, worked great. The boom is now ready for service. Honestly I did not score this as a crash.

Jury, please issue a judgment, I will change my flight log if directed.
PS not sure if I could have flown the dented boom or not, 50/50.

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03-19-2009 05:55 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Zaneman007

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Fboss

Since you "repaired the dent", I'm calling it a Crash.

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03-19-2009 06:37 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Frank Bostwick

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Fair 'nuff

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03-19-2009 06:43 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Darren Lee

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if you have to replace a part, it's a crash
Not always true, what about wear replacement?

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03-19-2009 06:47 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Zaneman007

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What if you don't repair it. And just fly it dented?

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03-19-2009 07:08 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Frank Bostwick

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That's why I asked, I thought it was questionable. I MAY have been able to fly it BUT decided to not risk it. As it turns out the part is flyable (now) but Ill never know if it could have flown.

If you crashed because a part BROKE in flight.................Then its a crash. UNLESS a vendor pays for all the repairs? Thinking a defective parts are beyond our control and ability to anticipate its failure.

If a part is WORN to the point of failure and causes a crash......... Then its a crash. Worn to the point of failure, we should catch that shouldn't we?

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03-19-2009 07:44 PM  8 years agoPost 20
McRex

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If the heli wasn't upright sitting on it's skids when the blades stopped rotating, or if you had to replace any parts/fix any damage, after contact with the ground, then it's a crash. If you are lucky enough to tip it over, flip it in the air and land on the skids with no damage, then it's not considered a crash, but I've yet to see that happen.

Daniel, AMA # 923248

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