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03-17-2009 06:17 AM  8 years agoPost 1
trickfrog

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How much wind is too much for a beginner just starting to hover with training gear on a 500 size electric?

Thanks for the input..

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03-17-2009 06:27 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Cowjock

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0-10mph good for a beginner. When I started flying it was October and there's always wind in October in NE Pa. I was hovering in 10-20mph winds. Makes you a better pilot if you fly in the wind. Oh, one other thing to keep in mind, if you wait for a day with no wind you'll never fly.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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03-17-2009 06:43 AM  8 years agoPost 3
QuantumPSI

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Ah yes, I remember the days when it was too windy to fly. Keep practicing, eventually wind will simply be an inconvenience. Now, wind just makes certain maneuvers a little more difficult, but hey, it definitely doesn't make me miss a beautiful flying day!

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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03-17-2009 06:44 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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^^^^+1

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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03-17-2009 09:59 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Eagle2bravo

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Yep, Keep it moving if its windy. Landing can be a little hard, you will have to really work the collective.

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03-17-2009 10:13 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Frank Bostwick

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I lost a heli like that. Turn up the wind in your sim, make it gusty. In the RW get it up over your head.

RIP ROMAN

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03-17-2009 10:53 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Yug

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Reminds me of a time when I was a beginner; the wind was moderate but all of a sudden there was a god all mighty blast for about a minute, so strong I had to lean right into it. My thumbs and heli were not thwarted so I'd say that unless the wind is stupidly strong, then go fly

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03-17-2009 11:44 AM  8 years agoPost 8
LONEWOLF2440

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Seems like everytime i fly its windy

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03-17-2009 11:56 AM  8 years agoPost 9
oballzz

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You will find a slightly faster head speed at hover helps in the wind,to start off keep nose in the wind.

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03-17-2009 12:00 PM  8 years agoPost 10
LaurenceGough

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+1 on QuantumPSI!

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03-17-2009 02:17 PM  8 years agoPost 11
aviation

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Wind

Wind can be you best friend especially if the engine quits and you need to make you first auto, just turn it into the wind and do an auto like you have been practicing on your simulator. You will be amazed how well it will turn out, just don't do it down wind.

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03-17-2009 05:33 PM  8 years agoPost 12
JasonJ

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I remember when I used to look out, see the leaves moving on the trees, and say "nope, it's windy out". Now I just go out. Biggest thing to remember if you are new and just starting out hovering is the effect of wind on lift. When a gust occurs, there is more lift created by the wind flowing under the rotor. The helicopter will go up, and your instinct will be to lower the collective. Then the wind slows, you lose lift and if you are too close to the ground you could crash if you don't increase collective. Stay ahead of it instead of reacting to it, you feel the breeze on your person before the helicopter is affected. The sim is good for wind practice, turn the gust and direction variation to 100 percent and run the wind speed at the typical speeds you experience. Definitely makes you a better pilot.

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03-17-2009 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 13
trickfrog

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Thanks-

yah... the wiffle balls are great, until the wind gets a hold of them...

I had it in a hover with winds that were around 10-15, I actually have a Kestel Pocket Wind Meter...(which is the other point too, ) unless you do, you might think a 10mph is 20mph, or visa versa..) I was just guessing on wind speed until I got the meter...

Between the wiffle balls lowering the CG and catching the wind, and the increased lift due to ETL, I am not comfortable above 15mph, and prefer anything under 10mph...

Thanks for all the input

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03-17-2009 08:38 PM  8 years agoPost 14
predatorman

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Wind is good.

For one thing, when you are hovering and descending to land the disturbed air is blown back from the heli.

I will explain:

When I first started out flying I noticed that my heli seemed to lose lift in calm conditions....or while descending at slow speeds in a light breeze...usually I would be flying the heli with the breeze while doing this....

Its called 'vortex ring state' where the downdraught can come up and over the blade tips.....causing a stall. I used to blame the engine but was puzzled because it sounded ok.

I started to suspect the Vortex problem and learned to stay out of it....so while descending in a breeze...nose to wind....you wont notice the vortex problem....try it with calm conditions and you will see what I mean...trick is to descend slowly.

The bigger/heavier the model and the more you can get into trouble with vortex ring...if the heli drops just fly forwards or sideways out of it.

Thing to watch with a wind, as you get into flying circuits...on the downwind leg your heli will get whisked along at great speed...so it pays to turn a bit earlier than you think...thats the only major consideration.

Apart from those points its great fun, provides more lift for a start.

I fly my gasser in all sorts of conditions, I love hovering over a marker on the ground...and trying to turn the heli around while holding its position against the wind.

Quality takes........time!

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03-17-2009 08:57 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Mundale

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i think it would matter how comfortable u are with flying in the wind and how well your chopper is set up.. set up is key iv flown my 450 in wind that when i took the pitch to 0 and cut the engine it still rised up.. so if u fly in high winds make sure u have ur - pitch setup to...(i did get it down and land safely)

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03-17-2009 11:25 PM  8 years agoPost 16
predatorman

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Good idea, I was flying my Hawk in stronger breezes and found it very floaty and it didnt want to come back down....if I reduced the collective too far I lost power as well...which is not good as the cyclic response goes all to pot.

You might want to add minus 5 degrees or so and bump up the headspeed at quarter stick.

Without being there and watching you fly its hard to advise. The idea is to have a much more 'positive' feel to the heli if you start flying in a breeze.

Be careful of flying in built up areas too, turbulance can easily see your heli being blown about all over the place. It can be done but requires a lot of anticipation...temptation to slam the collective down can be strong...so resist this. You could end up with a wreck otherwise.

Quality takes........time!

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03-17-2009 11:28 PM  8 years agoPost 17
trickfrog

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Thanks-

Predatorman- What do you mean by "built up" areas?

Thanks-

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03-17-2009 11:49 PM  8 years agoPost 18
abc123

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I remembered when I flew my old honeybee king 2, that was light as a feather, in the wind. It was a nightmare, the heli jump up and down so drastically that my friends thought that I was testing the collective. Thank god I have another helicopter now. My advice, try and deal with wind and you'll become a better pilot overtime.

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03-18-2009 12:22 AM  8 years agoPost 19
chopper_crazy

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Wind is my biggest goal for this year to overcome. In the past, if I seen some leaves blowing around, I assumed it was too windy to fly. I have to push myself harder this year to fly in more wind. Not every day can be perfect.

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03-18-2009 01:38 AM  8 years agoPost 20
TheWoodCrafter

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I don't like flying in the wind either but it will make you a better pilot and as time goes by you will not mind it as much.

As said set up is important.
You might want to add minus 5 degrees or so and bump up the headspeed at quarter stick.
I would not set up the helicopter this way.
Good idea, I was flying my Hawk in stronger breezes and found it very floaty and it didnt want to come back down....if I reduced the collective too far I lost power as well...which is not good as the cyclic response goes all to pot.
And this is a set up problem to me.

You need your pitch curves set up with 0 at mid stick and you need to be running idle up.
With pitch at 0 at mid stick it should hover about 3/4 stick.
You will also be able to dial in any amount of negative you feel comfortable with to be able to get it out of the sky in the wind.
Idle up will ensure you don't loose head speed.

These settings are close to where you should be when you learn how to fly so you might as well start practicing hovering with them.
The stick resolution is not good set up like this (collective is touchy) but you need to train that thumb.

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