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03-17-2009 01:54 AM  8 years agoPost 1
bosshoss

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I was flying around , getting hard on the sticks a bit, and the motor bobbled and came back. I swung around thinking it might quit.

And it did.

Over the temporary lake at the end of our runway, with ring billed gulls wading, and deer taking a drink.

I knew I was over the water, but with the pool foamies on the skids I wasn;t worried...LOL.

My first forced auto on this machine and it went very well, splash down, and my buddies applauded.

WHEW!!!!

I almost lost a shoe retrieving her......

I never shot an auto with this machine until today, piece of cake.

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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03-17-2009 02:36 AM  8 years agoPost 2
TaleGunner

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Weres the camera when ya need it. would like to have seen it.

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03-17-2009 02:54 AM  8 years agoPost 3
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Wow! Couldn't you have found an easier way to do your first auto with this bird Boss? Too cool - congrats.

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03-17-2009 03:00 AM  8 years agoPost 4
what_the_helli

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I knew I was over the water, but with the pool foamies on the skids I wasn;t worried...LOL.
yikes....

I put the fun in dysFUNctional :)
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03-17-2009 03:21 AM  8 years agoPost 5
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I got a funny one for you...!

I was up in Montreal at club crash (the name is a bad omen I guess) and it was in the spring. There were some "puddles" so to speak on the runway and I was fooling around with my 1005 gasser walking on water. Dip the skids in, pull up, dip again, try to dip a little more.

All of a sudden I dipped a little too deep, and the zimmerman tailpipe went submarine on me. The engine bogged, I tried to collective up, but it bogged more, and the water, like a deamon, wouldn't let of go the skids and let the muffler rise out and guess what - engine quit. I was already in the upper collective range, and I justed watch her slow down to a stop and sink in.

The puddle was more like a pond, as the canopy filled with water and then oh no, it rolled over on its side like its going to capsize and the whole thing came to rest on its side in about a foot of water. There was some guy there (professional photographer) that took pictures, and was supposed to send me his card as he sells them, but I never got anything from him. If someone from Club Crash reads this and knows this guy, get me his email I'd love to see the pictures!

The good news is that there was no damage to this water landing, and those guys had a club house with tables and heat, yes electric heat! So I took apart the receiver, gy601, and gv-1 control boxes and put everything out to dry on top of the heater. Also started the engine right away after glug glug glugging the water out of the muffler to make sure its clear as well.

Well an hour later everything was dry, I put the thing back together, fired it up, and flew the rest of the day! You can bet I was not trying another 'walk on water' trick!

-=>Raja.

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03-17-2009 05:15 AM  8 years agoPost 6
bosshoss

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Mine didnt tip over, it was about 3 inches deep and very muddy.

It fired right up after I checked the electronics which were dry.

I was hoping to find the cause, a dropped off clunk line, or a kill wire chaffed. So far notthing.

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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03-17-2009 03:40 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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This might sound like a dumb question, but I need some clarification on how to do an autorotation. I enjoy my helicopter and do not want to intentionally destroy it (and I haven't figured out the throttle hold function on the simulator), but I imagine however that one of these days the same thing will happen to me so I think I should be prepared.

So to do an autorotation: When your engine quits (or when you hit throttle hold), you give full up collective which makes the blades spin faster as the heli falls, and then when you are a couple of feet above the ground, you start to bring the collective down to about 1 degree positive pitch which hopefully translates the speed of the freewheeling blades into enough lift to stop the descent? Is this correct?

Also, why are people flying around with these pool floats on their landing gear anyways? I see this alot with the big camera ships. It is just padding, right? Certainly they wouldn't give enough buoyancy to float a 13 pound heli.

Finally, has anyone ever heard of opening up all your electronics and spraying Corrosion-X inside (before you crash in the water)? This is what the float fliers do at the lake. I guess Corrosion-X waterproofs everything. I have never done it myself as I avoid water at all costs.

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03-17-2009 05:57 PM  8 years agoPost 8
bosshoss

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OH BOY

So to do an autorotation: When your engine quits (or when you hit throttle hold), you give full up collective which makes the blades spin faster as the heli falls, and then when you are a couple of feet above the ground, you start to bring the collective down to about 1 degree positive pitch which hopefully translates the speed of the freewheeling blades into enough lift to stop the descent? Is this correct?
You BETTER get your throttle hold on the sim figured out, boy.

NO, that is NOT correct, the EXACT opposite.

Upright, you go about 4-5 degrees NEGATIVE to keep them spinning and storing energy. You FLARE and go positive gently, and set her down with the stored energy. You have one shot.

Jeez, you better not fly that gasser you say you are building until you get some real helicopter time. All the practice on the sim , and my 50 class nitro's saved my bird, it was AU-TO-MATIC. I screamed AUTOROTATION!!! , when my planker buddies were screaming DEADSTICK!!!!! LOL. AU-TO MATIC. That is the way it must be. Automatic.

The pool foamies are for orientation, red is in the RIGHT coming AT you, aviation, boating standard. They help with flotation in snow, and yes they are good cushion. Mine saved my muffler in a crash on my 600N on Sunday, they took the hit, not the muffler.

They really help with orientation on cloudy washout days.

I have red and green foam hair curlers on my Trex 450 skids.

Corrosion-X is great stuff, +1

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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03-17-2009 06:33 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Jeez, you better not fly that gasser you say you are building until you get some real helicopter time.
There is just no way I'm going to go out and build another nitro powered aircraft just to get some "real" heli stick time. I'm sorry, but I hate nitro fuel which is why I sold most of my nitro powered airplane fleet. Besides, my little electric Trex is a pretty good bird to learn how to do crazy stuff with because the parts are cheap when I crash it. I think a Trex 450 SE is every bit as "real" as any other helicopter, it's just too small to fly in anything but the calmest of air. I was all set to go out and buy a Trex 600N last year until I realized that the Spectra-G would offer me similar performance without the need to pay $35 dollars a gallon for fuel and wipe slimy castor oil off everything at the end of the day.

To tell you the truth, however, I am still stuck on about page 5 of the Spectra-G instruction manual. I don't think I'll be flying it any time soon.

The problem with the sim is that I am using a DX6i radio as the controller with the FSOne progam and therefore none of the buttons map out correctly. Maybe it is time I invest in a real controller? With my electric Trex I have never had to do an autorotation because if worse comes to worse and I run the batteries too long, it just starts to settle down slowly. I know that emergency procedures are an important part of flight training, but for me my main emergency procedure is figuring out what to do when I get disoriented. I guess it's time I start learning how to do autorotations.

With this gasser it seems I am in a whole different league of play.

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03-17-2009 08:43 PM  8 years agoPost 10
bosshoss

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There really is no substitute for a nitro 50, it is what taught me to fly well. You really can't auto a 450 well, not enough energy stored for any mistakes.

My nitro 50 600NP is my whipping boy, I finally crashed it Sunday, first dumbthumb for me. I lost orientation and never got it back after a tail-in roll 75 yards away at 70 up, I had a long time to recover, but just couldn't. I lost that locked in visual, and jsut plain dorked it in.

Cheap crash 150 bucks total, on the Spectra G is would have been 500 - 600 bucks.

Auto'ing the 50 saved my Spectra, no doubt about it.

The MA manual is great, and very thorough, what are you stuck on? The Head assembly?

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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03-17-2009 08:49 PM  8 years agoPost 11
predatorman

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Use that sim, set up the sim model so it flies like your heli.

Practice and practice those autos!!! it really does pay.

Trick with the real thing, is to fly around and then come into land as fast as you can....nice steady descent and then touchdown...NOT too hard....you can hover a few inches off the ground before setting down....in a real auto thats not going to hurt..I do it...saves slamming the heli and getting a strike (blade hitting the boom).

Try this excercise at different phases of flight...on take off...pretend the engine has conked out...nice steady descent and land gently...take off again and climb out...do it again.

Dont push things too far though, give plenty of room for yourself.

Do carry that minus 4 to 5 degrees pitch, and get the collective DOWN as quick as you can if you get a flameout, headspeed is your freind.

I have found that the larger helis auto well, and carefully maintained you should rarely ever have to do a real flame out auto...but regular practice on the sim will help a lot.

Quality takes........time!

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03-17-2009 08:51 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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One other thing, flying your 450 in wind , 10mph and better is pre-requisite to getting good correction skills.

I fly my 450 in anything but a gale. It keeps you your toes, and correction becomes automatic. I dig trying to keep it in one place while piro-ing in wind, you have to really THINK about it.

I am really enjoying my 450 now, when I was starting out 2 years ago, the 450 was stressful, just too twitchy. After 2 gallons on a 50 , man , then it became FUN. Because , I had the confidence from flying the more stable 50.

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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03-17-2009 08:55 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Thanks for the advice on the autos. I will practice on the sim, but I still don't want do it on the real thing if I don't have to. Blade strikes make my wallet hurt.
I fly my 450 in anything but a gale.
What are you considering gale force winds? In Dallas, 10-15mph winds with 20mph gusts are pretty much the definintion of a calm day unless you fly right at daybreak. 25 to 30mph gusts and we have to pack up the airplanes and go home. It's worse in the Spring. The big .50 to .90 sized heli guys are flying in this weather however. Makes me jealous, and that's why I want to join the crowd.
The MA manual is great, and very thorough, what are you stuck on? The Head assembly?
I'm using Excalibur's manual that has the diagrams on one side and the instructions on the other. Yes, I am working on the head and I have a few problems.

First of all, the instructions say there are two sets of dampers included with the kit. I have 4 O-rings total in the bag, and they all look the same. From the pictures and instructions it seems like I need to put two O-rings on either side of the upper head block--so this must mean there was only one set of dampeners included with the kit?

Next, I have 3 sets of shims (really thin washers). The instructions say to choose the shim set you want depending on the stiffness of the head you desire. Do the thicker shims give you a stiffer head?

Finally, the biggest problem is that I can't figure out how to get the aluminum retainer sleeves inside the metal blade grips (tempest head). I was thinking I would do it like replacing the bearings in a nitro motor, i.e. put the blade grips in the oven at about 250 degrees and put the retaining sleeves in the freezer. I don't want to damage the blade grips however. Is there an easier way?

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03-17-2009 09:04 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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Cheap crash 150 bucks total, on the Spectra G is would have been 500 - 600 bucks.
Jeez....if it costs that much to crash my gasser I wouldn't fly it at all. If the pipe doesn't get toasted, I've never had a crash cost over 200 bucks.....blades included..

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03-17-2009 09:07 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Jeez....if it costs that much to crash my gasser I wouldn't fly it at all. If the pipe doesn't get toasted, I've never had a crash cost over 200 bucks.....blades included..
What gasser are you flying? What blades are you using?

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03-17-2009 09:10 PM  8 years agoPost 16
shuttlepilot

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QWW Bat26 gasser. Sab 710's

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03-17-2009 09:39 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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With my electric Trex I have never had to do an autorotation because if worse comes to worse and I run the batteries too long, it just starts to settle down slowly.
You need my sort of 'luck'.. I've had 2 600xl motors go on me.. one just sheared the spindle and the other ripped it's can apart. Both were forced auto's. Also had two on the 600N as well as 2 on my gassers. They happen.

I still don't quite have the courage to do them electively but the forced ones have all been pretty good .. apart from spectra cutting on me inverted and getting blade stop as I tried to right it.

Sim time... sim time... saved those. It's just the rest of my 'fortunes' that keep me heli-mending...

Once I've cracked inverted auto's on the sim I plan on setting up tail failures next....

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03-17-2009 10:12 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Once I've cracked inverted auto's on the sim I plan on setting up tail failures next....
I've had a tail failure when the belt drive broke on my Trex, and the emergency protocol was really simple: get out of the way while your heli pirouettes out of control into the ground.

But what do you do when your engine cuts when you're inverted? Land on the blades?

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03-17-2009 10:16 PM  8 years agoPost 19
TaleGunner

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I've had a tail failure when the belt drive broke on my Trex, and the emergency protocol was really simple: piroette into the ground.
Why didn't you hit throttle hold and bring it down with out the piro?
But what do you do when your engine cuts when you're inverted? Land on the blades?
If you good enough you flip it over an land or you crash!

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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03-17-2009 10:28 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Cheap crash 150 bucks total, on the Spectra G is would have been 500 - 600 bucks.
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Jeez....if it costs that much to crash my gasser I wouldn't fly it at all. If the pipe doesn't get toasted, I've never had a crash cost over 200 bucks.....blades included..

QWW Bat26 gasser
You get what you pay for.

Rotortech blades 120bucks

V3 muffler 170 bucks

Add the cost of MA parts, they are expensive, because they are the best made, and you are in 500 dollar range.

You get what you pay for.

I would have bought a QWW if I wanted a "backyard" mechanic helicopter. But, I bought the premium helicopter.

You get what you pay for, it is directly co-related to the price.

Nothing wrong with the Backyard Mechanic helicopter, if that is what you are willing or have to settle for. Elbow grease can polish a turd, the Mythbusters proved it, but it was still a turd, just shiny.

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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