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03-16-2009 06:46 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Bladebuster

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Can i use a Kasama head on the Pantera? Anyone using this combination?
I have a Kasama head that i am not using. Would it make much of a difference over the stock head? Thanks.

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03-16-2009 07:55 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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This answer is for both you, and anybody else interested who may not already own a Kasama head system. It's a simple matetr of a hole in the main shaft to secure the jesus bolt, and different lengths linkage rods, which are dead nuts simple to fabricate.

It's easy enough to swap heads amongst 10mm main shafts but frankly, I seriously doubt you, or anybody, would feel an improvement. In fact, I would make a modest wager ours may well feel better anyway.

It's hard to prove but ask anybody how our model flies, or try it yourself if a friend has a Pantera available to try. I bet they use terms . . . flies like it's on rails, or that they say it can be as aggressive as you like (for 3D stuff) to describe it. Furthermore, I bet it hovers nicer than just about anything out there.

Moreover, a Pantera head does it without the replacement costs of Kasama head components. For example, in the unlikely event you damage one of our grips (plastic either breaks, or is OK to use while aluminum may be bent), a pair of our grips are like 12 bucks. Meanwhile, a bent aluminum grip can first of all drive you crazy trying to figure out what the problem is (mysterious vibrations, shakes, and shudders) and second is quite pricey compared to our stout plastic parts, which tend to be far more forgiving in a crash.

This kind of reminds me of the old saying, "all that glitters is not gold". Occassionaly folks often get so wraped up in an aluminum part they forget pastic is often a better application - witenss Glock using the same material we use for the frames of their handguns when metal was the old traditional way until they came along. Of course if you have a Kasama laying around, and fancy putting it on your Pantera, then this is a horse of another color since, after all, it is a hobby. I'd say go for it and report back but please consider flying the stock head a while before doing it so you can really make a judgement whether it's worth tying up a couple hundred bucks in it on a Pantera, or if you're better off selling it to someone who actually needs it, like a Raptor owner. We're about to announce a very attarctive offer on Panteras, which may make this germane to the conversation.

Nevertheless, while our head isn't marketed as something to 'fix' how Raptors fly, we have some pretty neat features. For exmaple, we offer three different dampers, two of them are urethane and very long wearing (including the stock setup), I mean seasons of wear!

Moreover, don't forget our head system features a 4mm flybar, which is far and away stiffer, and compatible with any 91-class flybar setup out there (to include a butt load of 4mm paddle choices versus 3 mm paddle chocies, which are rather limited). In fact, you can tune the feel of your model by changing flybar lengths (the longer the quicker). This is not so easy with a 3 mm flybar system as the darn thing gets quite limp and floppy feeling before long, which is as bad with model helicopters too

Overall, there's a reason I never bothered to make an aluminum 'upgrade' head for our product, e.g the stock unit works really, really well and doesn't require your spending anything additional. In economic times like these, that's especially important.

Thanks for allowing me to discuss this with you.


John Beech
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03-17-2009 02:11 AM  8 years agoPost 3
billm

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Stay stock. No reason to go thru the trouble.
If you want a bit of metal. JB offers a swash and some SS arms.
Thats about all you need.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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03-17-2009 05:30 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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lol better then kasama

Velocity 50 "99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space." also 01001000 01001001

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03-17-2009 05:37 PM  8 years agoPost 5
USNAviationjay

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You know VoodooX is there any thread you don't crap in when it comes to Pantera Or JohnB?

I don't even have a Pantera but I'll tell you what if More companies had the down home style support and the willingness to help People that John does.. the world would be a better place. I've had John PM me and offer help not even related to Pantera's.

Go back to supporting stolen heli designs in the clone forum.

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03-17-2009 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 6
VooDooX

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usa what you said has nothign to do with him stating his head is better then a head that costs more then his whole heli for somone who says you get what you pay for apparently with his design that doesnt count

Velocity 50 "99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space." also 01001000 01001001

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03-17-2009 07:05 PM  8 years agoPost 7
USNAviationjay

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not true bro.. I prefer the stock heads on alot of helis compared to the Kasama..

The Vibe 50 head for example is lightyears ahead of the Kasama.

the only thing it really could use.. (but doesnt need) are Metal grips.

which Hyper does even better than Kasama.

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03-17-2009 08:46 PM  8 years agoPost 8
ProModeler

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Wait a minute VooDooX, remember the Raptor has been out a while. Over time people discovered things they didn't like and before long this gave birth to solutions, which became companies devoted to making them better (via optional aluminum parts, in this case an entire head assembly). I.e. they fixed what was wrong. You can't argue a company whose product is good enough not to need fixing in the first place isn't a better value because how are you not getting what you pay for? The fact the aftermarket head costs what an entire heli costs is due to other factors.


John Beech
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03-18-2009 04:20 AM  8 years agoPost 9
billm

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Get a Pantera.
If you crash. Then parts are alwasy just a click away.
Sometimes your just as good as your thumbs. Not the ship.
shut up and fly.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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03-18-2009 05:15 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Machinehead01

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It's okay guys...

Just look at his profile. He hasn't been around long enough to know what real quality and pride of workmanship is or was about. By the way KID, happy belated birthday.

Thomas

"You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone."

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03-18-2009 05:48 AM  8 years agoPost 11
bclong211

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+1 on what BillM said. Very good quality model (and company)and excellent availability for replacement parts. I am currently toying with my third one and I have a few test flights on it with an Rjx x50 head and I can tell you there is not alot of difference. Same situation- I had the time to invest just to "see" if there was a difference and the only one I have found is that the rjx is made of metal and the Audacity one is not! My 2 cents- I'm out.

Brian

I meant to do that!!!

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