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03-18-2009 03:41 PM  8 years agoPost 21
JohnLund

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My point is you can't have it both ways. You can't ask the Govt to decide how and when a woman can have or terminate a pregnancy and on the other hand ask them to allow people to carry the very weapons that people use to kill on a daily basis.
We don't have to "ask" the government for permission to have/carry firearms, it is a right numerated in our Constitution. Gun laws are 100% uneffective at stopping crime, as we have MANY gun laws already on the books, and crime is still going up, except funny enough, in those areas where the right of the citizenary to keep and bear arms has not been subjected. They are two completely different subjects.

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03-18-2009 04:16 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Ronald Thomas

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Lets see if I can make this as simple as​possible

Mutt, I answered your question already
I am not equating on bad to another, I am simply saying that the govt will be into EVERYTHING and you can't have it both ways......Ron

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03-18-2009 04:22 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Ronald Thomas

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John Lund

We don't have to "ask" the government for permission to have/carry firearms, it is a right numerated in our Constitution. Gun laws are 100% uneffective at stopping crime, as we have MANY gun laws already on the books, and crime is still going up, except funny enough, in those areas where the right of the citizenary to keep and bear arms has not been subjected. They are two completely different subjects.
You missed my whole point. You can't ask the govt to govern the "rights" of people on one end (abortion) and then say don't govern my rights on the other end (gun control). Either you want govt or you don't. As we know you can't have both and it seems our govt wants to have a hand in it all ......Ron

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03-18-2009 05:01 PM  8 years agoPost 24
NRoof

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Interesting clip

Watch at YouTube

I relinked this clip as the original one I posted actually deleted some important content.

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03-18-2009 05:02 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Ronald Thomas

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I saw that a while ago, very sad indeed

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03-18-2009 05:05 PM  8 years agoPost 26
JohnLund

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No, I understand what you are trying to say, unfortunately they are two completely seperate arguments. One is a numerated right in our Constitution, the other is an individual choice.

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03-18-2009 05:15 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Ronald Thomas

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It does not matter, the Govt will still intervene and asking them to get involved when a "right" is stepped on is the same as asking them to get involved when a "choice" made for you.......Ron

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03-18-2009 06:27 PM  8 years agoPost 28
hootowl

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"The second amendment is not about duck hunting."

In the end she said it's about our right to protect ourselves from the government.

I agree wholeheartedly.

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03-18-2009 07:21 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Kinbard

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As for the mothers "choice" why don't we give the father the "choice" of killing the mother if her being pregnant is inconvenient?
See how rediculous this gets if you leave it up to "choice".
I found it interesting no one dealt with this. Pretty hard to answer, huh.

Stet: "Looks like he is stuck on stupid."

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03-19-2009 12:45 AM  8 years agoPost 30
baby uh1

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No one seems to want to apply logic to this issue. They either want to pass a law or leave it up to personal choices. Then tell me why do we have laws against killing anyone that annoys us or is in our way? Is it only OK to do it when the person can't defend themselves? And why do we cut off the age of abortion at 30 weeks? Or whatever arbitrary number it is. Why not 30 months or 30 years?
I guess that I will never be able to make sense of this.

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03-19-2009 12:54 AM  8 years agoPost 31
RonHill

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laughingstill

I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

OK you are sick and that is that
You do know that the same thing was said of gays right? Why is that now OK in your mind, but this is not?
I beleive (sic) it is all a scam and the govt and oil companies are all in on it. BTW what is 4% when the economy relies on it and it is consumed by EVERY American?
It is called a free market, 4% is not much of a return. And because you believe it is a scam, it does not make it a scam. You and others have not been able to prove it is a scam.
The rules are not made for 98% of the population, they are made for the 2% who take advantage of it. Total freedom of speech does not exist no matter what President is in office or who controls congress. Don't beleive (sic) me.......next time you get on an airplane, yell "I have a bomb" and see hoe (sic) freely your speech will be stopped
"Free Speech" is about as free as it has ever been.
And if we stay will they stop? Apparently not and once again, if we were not dependent on the region for oil, we would not even care who blew up who and who kills who. Proof: Genocide happens today in Africa and why don't we care......We don't have as much $$$$ to lose there as we do in the oil regions
And I have yet to see Obama say or do a thing to stop the killings in Darfur. AND he is wanting to increase the US presence in Afghanistan.
I am pretty sure YOU can't have a baby, so who are you to decide on what women do with their bodies? You don't want to be told what to be done with a gun when it is used to KILL........what is the difference? OK how about this, no more abortions, no more guns......fair right
You can't have a baby, so who are you to say that a woman can't kill a one year old?

There is a big difference between an actual killing, and an object. The difference is that one actually ends a life and the other is an object that does nothing without intent. One is an action and the other is an object.
Redistribution happens NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE. Where do you think the money for the war is coming from????? The gov't prior though it was ok to redistribute OUR DOLLARS in order to destroy, rebuild, and revive another countery (sic) while ours suffers! It is called TAXES and they will always exist.....period.
Small businesses, large businesses should be allowed to make as (much) money as they possibly can BUT then they have a responsibility to take care of the peole (sic) who got them there......the workers. When they don't and lay people off in order to pay HUGE bonuses to the top level personnel and then accept STIMILUS (sic) MONIES to boot, then they should be regulated.
Every body cries about unions but without them, business would NEVER re-distribute the wealth (pay higher wages and provide benefits) and the worker would suffer. There was a reason unions got started in the first place and it was NOT because the workers were treated fairly.
You need to read up on unions; They were created more for safety than money. And the Unions are not doing much to save the auto industry are they?

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03-19-2009 04:52 AM  8 years agoPost 32
BJames111

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You can't have a baby, so who are you to say that a woman can't kill a one year old?
Ron, at what point does the "mass of replicating cells" indicate a life? Cancer is also a "mass of replicating cells" to a point so...

I'm no "fan" of Abortion, but I cannot see it as my right to tell a woman she cannot rid her body of a "mass of replicating cells".

There must be a time (I'm asking honestly) when Life becomes viable. 2 weeks? 16 weeks?

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03-19-2009 05:14 AM  8 years agoPost 33
JohnLund

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Because you didn't form from a lump of cells that could have become cancer? That's just a weak argument, and I think you know it. A fetus isn't a random mass of replicating cells, it is a specific mass of replicating cells.

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03-19-2009 09:55 AM  8 years agoPost 34
hootowl

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Abortion is a tough issue to argue. I have to believe that no one believes abortion is right or a good thing. I don't like to get into the when is it a human being or not. People shouldn't be putting themselves in the position in the first place. To think that we may someday produce, if we aren't already, products from the beginnings of life, is quite uncomfortable to me. It could have been me, you or one of your family that got synthesized into a sellable product instead of becoming us. I believe there is a limit to life and that limit should not be governed by us so intentionally. Some things just should be left alone. Hopefully they can figure out moral ways to continue the stem cell research. I'm not against it. I just loath mankind's constant moving of the standards.

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03-19-2009 12:54 PM  8 years agoPost 35
baby uh1

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With the possible exception of the current administration I don't believe I've ever heard of a group of cancer cells growing up to become president. Although after taking another look at congress your theory becomes more valid.
Is abortion still an option after they become walking, talking cancer cells?

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03-19-2009 02:10 PM  8 years agoPost 36
BJames111

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Because you didn't form from a lump of cells that could have become cancer? That's just a weak argument, and I think you know it. A fetus isn't a random mass of replicating cells, it is a specific mass of replicating cells.
weak argument..perhaps.

However, I can't see how anyone has the right to tell a grown adult woman what she can and can't do with her body. Or that she is FORCED to reproduce. Obviously abstinence would prevent it 100% but let's be realistic.

Abortion IS a tough issue. I honestly don't see whay it is always debated though. It is the WOMAN'S choice, not the Government's choice whether to reproduce. I do think there probably is a point where life become distinct, and viable where abortion is unacceptable however.

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03-19-2009 04:03 PM  8 years agoPost 37
SSN Pru

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However, I can't see how anyone has the right to tell a grown adult woman what she can and can't do with her body.
Isn't suicide technically illegal?

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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03-19-2009 04:41 PM  8 years agoPost 38
JohnLund

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However, I can't see how anyone has the right to tell a grown adult woman what she can and can't do with her body. Or that she is FORCED to reproduce. Obviously abstinence would prevent it 100% but let's be realistic.
Can a grow woman sit around and legally smoke crack, or shoot up dope? If she sits around her house cutting herself with a razor blade, does she need psychiatric help? Obviously people should take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.

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03-19-2009 06:22 PM  8 years agoPost 39
CACTUSJACK (RIP)

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Isn't suicide technically illegal?
NO, but attempted suicide is!!

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03-19-2009 06:37 PM  8 years agoPost 40
SSN Pru

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you have a point there. My point was that you are not legally allowed to do anything to your body. There is precedent for that!

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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