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03-16-2009 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Futura SE

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I have a brand new (2009 Edition) flagship Apple iMac. I am a recent Apple convert and like most will never go back to a PC if I can help it.

I purchased Windows XP System Builders Home Edition for a operating system so I could use an old program or two and play Phoenix. I use VMWare for the virtualization software.

I have read time and again about how to run Phoenix or any game you need to use Apple Bootcamp and boot Windows and then you can play anything. I did load Bootcamp and yes, Phoenix runs superbly this way.

I thought I'd try Phoenix for kicks with it running XP under Fusion. I have Phoenix set to full tilt. Highest setting for all and Full Screen and VMWare Fusion set to Fullscreen.

Phoenix runs FLAWLESS. No video problems, no lockups, as stable as it is or more so than on my old Vista PC!!!!!! It runs the locked in Vsync 60FPS and never moves. Turn Vsync off and you get 78 FPS up to 88 FPS!!!! Booting XP I get 348 FPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Vsync off. This new iMac is a MONSTER!!!!!!

Forget booting to Windows XP. VMWare is there. I knew they would get it and they did. Flawless. I use spaces and have 4 set. I can have Phoenix set Fullscreen on one and Safari open on another and Mail open as well.

This new iMac smokes anything I have ever seen.

VMWare and the newest generation iMac no longer require BootCamp for Phoenix. I put this here and a lot of people want to do this. Well boys, it is here. The newest iMac's have all Nvidia architecture. Only Intel part is the processors. They smoke!!!!!!!!! People reported the sim was jumpy and had bad graphics with previous generations. Not anymore.

Norman Ross Jr.

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03-25-2009 01:52 AM  8 years agoPost 2
zetex

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Norman,

which imac did you get, im in the market for a 2009 version

thanks
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03-25-2009 02:35 AM  8 years agoPost 3
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I have the new 2009 Edition Apple iMac 3.06ghz. Apple's latest flagship.

Norman Ross Jr.

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03-25-2009 05:57 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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Norman,

Do you by chance know if any of the MacBooks can do this? Have enough CPU and GPU to do the VMWare deal? I am in need of a new laptop and have considered switching to a Mac, but one of my main holdbacks is Phoenix.

Rayo

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03-25-2009 06:47 AM  8 years agoPost 5
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None of the Macbooks except the big 17" MacBook Pro can do what I am doing. The 17" will. Any MacPro will of course.

The hold up on the laptops is video card except the 17". It is a monster.

Norman Ross Jr.

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03-27-2009 01:24 AM  8 years agoPost 6
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Norman,

Yeah... I was talking MacBook Pro. Not the 17", but the 15"... with all the bells and whistles. It looks like they run the same video card and video memory. The 17" looks like it would be to big for me to carry around. I tote a Dell Studio 15 now, and it is the perfect size.

I have been in the computing field for over 18 years (mainly network and security engineering these days). I am sick and tired of Vista puking on me every time I turn around. I have had this Studio 15 (that only had the option of Vista) for near 6 months now.. and I have had to reload it from scratch 3 times!!!

One of the other consultants that I see at my main client runs a MacBook, used to be a PC guy... and claims he would NEVER go back. Also claims he can run all the networking tools, scanners, configurators etc. just fine on the Mac.

Needless to say its a big chunk of change to lay down vs what I am using now. I have been hesitant due to programs like Phoenix that I just don't want to compromise performance or convenience for.

Rayo

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03-27-2009 01:51 AM  8 years agoPost 7
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I am just like you. I after having my iMac now will NEVER go back to PC's if I can help it. I have not had one single lock up or failure yet. Period.

You are right the 15" Mac Pro and the 17" are the same and both have dual video cards and would do fine. The biggest thing to have is make sure you have at least 4 GB of ram as you are running dual OS's. With XP fullscreen running in VMWare Fusion I have 2.63 GB of my ram used up and I have 4 GB. Everything runs smooth. I don't know how much I have used up with Phoenix running as I have never looked, but it runs smooth so... The way a Mac works is so much more efficient. Use up over 60% of a PC's ram and it starts getting slow as dirt and a Mac will run fast till the last drop is used up. My iMac is upgradable to 8 Gb of ram, but it uses the latest DDR 3 and right now it is VERY expensive. $800+ for a 8 GB kit. Apple wants $1,200!!!!!!! It will come down fast. It has lowered $100 in the last week.

Norman Ross Jr.

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03-27-2009 02:33 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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Norman,

Thanks so much for all the info. The local BestBuy has MacBook Pros (I am pretty sure)... I should probably go see one in person to see if the 17" is really as unwieldy as I think it would be. I see the 17" can run up to 8 gig... where as the 15" only shows up to 4 gig.

Rayo

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03-27-2009 10:18 AM  8 years agoPost 9
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I heard about this program on the radio the other day for Mac users.

I personally don't know anything about it but you Mac guys might what to have a look at it, it's called Parallels.

http://www.getparallels.com/index.html

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03-27-2009 04:21 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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The new version of Parallels runs great. I've been running rf G3.5 on my macbook pro without issues. I've played with Fusion and a couple of similar products, but I'm really liking the new version of Parallels.

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03-27-2009 04:34 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Fusion vs Parallels

I own both Fusion 2.0 and Parallels 4, and have tried running Phoenix under both. Phoenix just freezes under Parallels during startup, but runs just fine under Fusion. Fusion has more complete support for DirectX, which I believe is why Phoenix can run under Fusion but not Parallels.

I have an older 15" MacBook Pro, the one with 2.33 GHz CPU, and 3 GB RAM, which is the max for this computer. I run Fusion with 1.5 GB RAM assigned to it, and Phoenix runs quite well. With this computer it's not as good as running under Bootcamp, but it's quite usable. I have to lower the quality settings to medium, and anti-aliasing doesn't work, and I have to lower the resolution of Phoenix to 1280x800, instead of the native 1440x900. But once I make those adjustments Phoenix runs fine, and I find I'd often still rather use it that way than have to shut down all the programs I have running and reboot into Windows.

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04-02-2009 10:23 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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Hello Folks,

I'm new to this wonderful forum. I have a MAC Mini and I would like to know if someone here had tried phoenix under VMware fusion on that little machine. BTW: It's an Intel version dualcore with 2GB of RAM.

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04-02-2009 11:42 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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Well just a follow up:

After being a HardCore PC user for near 18 years, both in work and play.... starting in the MS-DOS 2.x days and everything since then... I have a MacBook Pro on its way from Apple.

This should be an interesting transition.

Thanks for all the info regarding running Phoenix on the Mac.

Rayo

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04-03-2009 12:58 AM  8 years agoPost 14
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RayoVac,
I was just like you. I always said jokingly, "I don't even know how to tun a Mac on, much less use it." Well, for me the transition started when I got a iPhone 3G almost a year ago and at the same time ran into Vista. You couldn't pry my iPhone out of my cold, dead hand. Now my Mac either.

If you have any questions feel free to drop me a line. I am no expert, but I know where to look for most things.

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04-03-2009 02:01 AM  8 years agoPost 15
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Norman,

Thanks again for all your help. I have already been spending a bunch of time researching programs to replace what I use on the PC and for those I can't it sounds like VM Fusion will be the ticket.

Here is what I ordered:
MacBook Pro 15.4
NVIDIA 9400M integrated
NVIDIA 9600M GT discrete 512Meg
Processor 2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 4GB 1066Mz DDR3 SDRM-2x2GB
Hard Drive 320GB Serial ATA @ 7200
Optical Drive SuperDrive 8X DL

Should be here this coming Monday.

Rayo

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04-03-2009 02:25 AM  8 years agoPost 16
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Just warning you once you get a mac you will never want to go back to PC! You got bitten by the bug! haha nice setup should run VMWare good.

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04-03-2009 04:17 AM  8 years agoPost 17
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People keep telling me that. The bummer is my current laptop is barely 7 months old, a fully loaded Dell Studio 15. I am giving it to my wife, I fear she will end up wanting a Mac as well.

I am fully committed and don't plan to go back to PCs. I will still have to work with them everyday and will have them in the house, but I plan to at least have my everyday tool be the Mac.

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04-03-2009 10:14 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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Yup, the macs pretty much speak for themselves. Yeah you have to pay a bit more but in the end they are so much more versitale as far as being able to have both worlds(PC and Mac) in just one computer, In my opinion.

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04-04-2009 04:38 AM  8 years agoPost 19
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It came today... ordered on Tuesday, it showed up on Friday all the way from Shanghai!!!

I have already converted my Outlook PST based mail to Apple Mail, got all my browser stuff setup (bookmarks transferred etc.)

Just finished loading an XP Service Pack 3 image to a Virtual Machine in Fusion.

Other then missing a bunch of keys, which I am slowly figuring out the "Apple Way" of doing things. Things are going great.

Rayo

Ps... this reply was typed on the Mac

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04-04-2009 03:15 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Glad you got most of your stuff working!
Ps... this reply was typed on the Mac
hahaha

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