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03-17-2009 07:34 PM  8 years agoPost 21
MrMel

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Gotland

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You forget the MOST important thing!

No more paddles in the way when transporting in the car

Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more

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03-17-2009 07:54 PM  8 years agoPost 22
jbdww

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And you can put the heli on a display shelf with the blades extend so you can drool over it while you wait to take it out again.

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03-17-2009 09:11 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Melnic

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I've got about 15 flights on my converted EXI 450 flybarless.
I still have the cheap Analog servos in it but have Digitals waiting to get installed.
I did the Skookum inexpensive Trex conversion.
I got the SK360 off ebay for $279. (tried the GU-365 but it was crappy)
Parts for the trex conversion were $15. (set of mixing arms that get hacked).
I later added digital servos to replace the analog servos ($30 x 4).

Like the previous post suggested, first rolls were so straight that I did like 5 more just to see if I was imagining it. I normally do pretty good rolls but they were so smooth that I found myself doing 2, or 3 consecutive rolls without flopping out of it.

At first, I started the project to "try something different" and not by buying a new heli but modd'n an existing one.

Can't wait for the Mini Vbar to come out w/ the Spektrum Sattelite Rx connection. That will be my second flybarless setup.

I'm not so certain that flybarless is good for newbies though. At times during the setup, flybarless can be a hand full unless you get the settings right off the bat. This happend w/ my Gu-365 but not the SK360.

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03-17-2009 09:25 PM  8 years agoPost 24
Ben-T-Spindle

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I agree – with the SK360 the default settings will fly most any helicopter very well.

I have sure not heard much good about the GU365, exactly what makes them so bad?

... BTS

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03-17-2009 09:30 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Melnic

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Forgot to mention.
In recent tests, I compared the 2 of the same exact model of heli but one I made flybarless.

Simple hover time flying w/ a Zippy 2200mAh pack:
Flybarless heli = 11m30s
Flybar heli = 9m40s

Not sure if flybarless is the only reason it got the longer flight times.
Both had the same battery, motor brand, esc, pinion.
They had different brands of blades and I"m working to compare the head speeds to see if they are the same or not.

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03-30-2009 12:12 AM  8 years agoPost 26
HybridHeli

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Just how significant are we talking about here, if I'm not mistaken you have to add more electronics right? Has anyone done a before and after weight comparison?
The weight saving by itself is insignificant. It’s the rotating mass that gets reduced and that is VERY significant. 1/2 lbs is not very much until you consider the forces that half pound adds to the head at 2000 rpm.

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nothing automatic about autorotations man..

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03-30-2009 02:20 AM  8 years agoPost 27
SandyEM16

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I have 2 Vibe50s, one FBL with VBar, the other FB'd.. Today I was able to fly them both in 20 to 25 MPH wind, full of near surface swirls, which is close to status quo in western OK.. The difference is amazing cyclic stability in the FBL machine.. FB'd flying was just plain work. I'm really sold now..

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03-30-2009 06:43 AM  8 years agoPost 28
dahld

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Flybarless and "noobies"

Hello all,

The consensus of this thread is that those who've converted to FBL aren't going back . However, several entries have expressed the concern about "noobies" having trouble with the programming of the systems. I agree, this has been the case. But things are getting better.

I think all the companies producing the systems are looking at ways to make the programming and set-up easier and faster.

Since the beginning, the V-Bar has always been the standard, but admittedly, had a rather steep learning curve to it.

I've just this last week installed the V-Bar version V4.0. I'm not at liberty to discuss details of the programming yet, but that whole "steep learning curve" stuff...well, it's gone. When it comes to ease of programming and set-up, things are about to change .

Dave Dahl.

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03-30-2009 01:25 PM  8 years agoPost 29
tchavei

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Portugal

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Just how significant are we talking about here, if I'm not mistaken you have to add more electronics right? Has anyone done a before and after weight comparison?
-85gr to -100gr depending on the conversion. My fully equiped Vibe 50 with 6 servos and several bling items is 3495gr.

piros are better with a vbar than with a fybared heli. People confuse piro consistency through piro maneuvers using cyclic commands with pure piro inputs. Many Vbar birds suffer from that not because of the rudder itself but because the cyclic inputs arn't matched in ele and ail right of the box. Once you are able to match the cyclic input then piro maneuvers become a breeze.

Tony


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12-02-2010 08:16 PM  6 years agoPost 30
bhoff

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houston texas

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so which brand would yall say is the best? ive been reading alot on flybarless and the one that is sticking out to me is the mini vbar, im looking for a system for my trex 600 i just put in the dirt and since the blade grips are broke etc...i figured now is my time to go FBL...mini vbar on 600 or the bigger vbar? or beastx etc...

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12-02-2010 11:04 PM  6 years agoPost 31
jbdww

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I have flown VBar and Total-G. The VBar is easier to setup, and the Total-G seems to perform really good, but you can not go wrong with either product.
As far as a Mini-V on a 600 heli, is not recommended by Mikado as they state that the Mini-V is only good up to a 500 size heli.

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12-03-2010 01:31 AM  6 years agoPost 32
OICU812

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For the sake on a larger bird with future in mind go with fullsize. The governor is coming out which can be used on the FS unit as well the way to isolate the sensor from module is very nice on larger helis. The mini will work and is not longer restricted that way in size for helis, but on larger helis over 500 size to me it makes sense to use fullsize.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-03-2010 06:05 AM  6 years agoPost 33
bhoff

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okay awesome guys thanks im debating that full size mikado or the hobbyking 600 now i just saw a few vids about it and read people are saying its exaclty the same as the mikado vbar just half the price but i believe in u get what u pay for...so thinkin mikado..prob gonna do it tomorrow lol i like the blue too

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12-03-2010 07:02 AM  6 years agoPost 34
OICU812

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Ok let me tell you this the HobbyKing so called vbar is NOT Vbar, not even close, it is a relabelled fsj6000, aka axiom PIECE OF CRAP period. There is absolutely 0% of that unit that is the same, only they took the "vbar" name and put it on it illegally basically to make people believe that somehow they had a replica. Anyone who actually told you that has no clue what they are talking about, and this is 100% truth.

Anyhow sorry about that, almost blew my top LOL. BUT it really is irritating to hear that people have spewed that nonsense to you.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-03-2010 09:57 AM  6 years agoPost 35
4 stroke flyer

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If you are looking for a good unit at about half the price, get the BEASTX. I have one and love it. I ran it on my outrage 50 and now putting it on my Bergen gasser.

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12-03-2010 02:06 PM  6 years agoPost 36
jbdww

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I agree with OICU812. I had the hobby king vbar for about a week, and it is probably the hardest unit to setup, and I could not get it to fly right.

Skids Up
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12-03-2010 02:49 PM  6 years agoPost 37
dahld

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Bakersfield, CA, USA

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Comments from the past...

This thread dates back to antiquity. Fun to read what was being said over 1 1/2 years ago .

In the thread I said back in March of 2009, "...the V-Bar has always been the standard, but admittedly, had a rather steep learning curve to it...but that whole "steep learning curve" stuff...well, it's gone (speaking then about what's now the old V4.0 version). When it comes to ease of programming and set-up, things are about to change..."

They did change, and for once I get to tell my wife I was right about something

(-: dave

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12-03-2010 04:32 PM  6 years agoPost 38
Upside_dan

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Paradise, CA USA

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@dahld... Good one Dave!

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12-05-2010 05:20 PM  6 years agoPost 39
lazor 22

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Wendell, NC

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Don't forget about the Sk720, If it weren't for the price I'd think it be more popular then it is. The bailout feature seems nice for learning new moves as it works from any orientation. And if your a total n00b I read you can set it up to where your heli will fly like a coax then tone it down as you go along. Plus there is a GPS port on it. Oh, and the powerbus is a nice feature.

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12-05-2010 07:16 PM  6 years agoPost 40
jjeaster222000

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im a newbee on fbl i converted my 600nsp with the blue full size vbar.. im done!!!! fbl all the way vbar has my vote!!

Team Synergy

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