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03-18-2009 08:25 PM  8 years agoPost 61
TMoore

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Case in point; the latest issues review of the RevMax imbedded in the 7100R. The reviewer rates it a 9.5 with the only negative being that the mounting bracket is weak. No one loves a RevMax any better than me, it's a sterling product but don't y'all think that with a product like this, that the bracket really ought to work? Being able to hold the sensor securely on the backplate of the engine is just about 9/10th's of the product working here. Let's face it, there was a great big thread on here just a few weeks back where one of the members machined up a batch of aluminum brackets because the stock plastic ones disintegrated like Dracula on the beach at high noon.
At best the product as is rates a 7.0 because you can't keep the sensor on the engine without the bracket cracking so in a nutshell it really doesn't matter how well the device works. How many fellows have come on this board and complained of the standard bracketry failing on typical governors? I can't recall the last time I saw a thread like that, it surely isn't rampant.

The whole thing strikes me like this; a reviewer builds and flies the nastiest, best, most glorious 3D heli on the face of the planet and is in the middle of wringing it out when the swashplate inner parts ways with the outer and rekits the heli right there at his feet. We'll give it a 9.5 because while it was flying it was really kickin a$$.

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03-18-2009 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 62
artimus

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Mike Velez , thanks for comming on here and letting us know your are truly listening to our rants....

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03-19-2009 12:06 AM  8 years agoPost 63
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More thanks to the writers for chiming in here, although I think this topic belongs in the Main Discussion area. I am a faithful reader and usually do so in the bathroom. I like the blend of beginner/technical in the magazine. My favorite areas are the technical articles, pilot profiles and flying instruction. I'd like to see pilot profile become a monthly regular. I can see how creating a magazine for such a niche market is a tremendous balancing act. Keep up the good work. Now excuse me I gotta go take a crap.

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03-19-2009 12:15 AM  8 years agoPost 64
trunkmunki

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I have to give credit to the writing/editorial staff for, what in Mr. Velez's case appears to be, taking the time to join this forum and provide an opinion from the source.

I never really had a problem with RCH's content, though I would like to see more in-depth, technical, articles. The magazine overall is pretty good, especially considering the alternatives available right now (basically only game in town). The fact that they enjoy such prosperity (well, RCH still exists, which is pretty good) is an indicator that they are doing a lot right.

My only complaint, and perhaps I AM too critical, is indeed with the image RCH and many other magazines in other sectors (specifically motorcycle, but not limited to that either) are setting up. My first post in this topic outlined what it was I didn't like, and it may be petty but it just turns me off. I like to see people who are dressed and appear appropriately for what they are doing, and in this case they are selling the magazine while informing the reader about something. If thier image won't let me get on board with that, then I lose interest in the source.

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03-19-2009 02:03 AM  8 years agoPost 65
mchammer

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JasonJ, Your analogies are flawed.
I suppose if RC Heli shouldn't review the "lowly" helicopters, then Car & Driver shouldn't review the Ford Focus
You dont see these in them though.

4x4 & Offroad should only do build articles on Range Rovers and skip Jeep Wrangler or Suzuki Samurai builds.
Do they show builds on these too???

Maybe Trailer Boats Magazine should only review Cobalt or Formula boats and skip Sea Ray and Bayliner boats. Maybe Bass & Walleye Boats Magazine should stick with Ranger or Stratos boats and skip the little tin Crestliners or Tracker boats.
I am not into boats but I bet you havent seen these in them lately...

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03-19-2009 03:26 AM  8 years agoPost 66
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McHammer, My analogy is not flawed. Just because some have decided what are or are not toys in their minds does not make it actually so. For a serious bass fisherman, the only boat is one that can go 75+ mph, everything else is a TOY. For someone who owns a Lamborghini, a Focus is a TOY. For someone who owns a Formula, a Bayliner should not even be in the same body of water. Period.

Still with me? Lets try it another way. A person who buys a crappy $300 rtf helicopter does not think it is a toy and doesn't have to just because there are people out there telling them they need to. None of the helicopters RC Heli reviews are toys. A lot of them are entry level, but still hobby grade. If they were reviewing 2 channel Hoverlites or Picco Zs, then we would have a problem. For every Szabo wannabe, there are a hundred regular joes who want something to fly in the evening after a tough day at work, and don't want to spend their children's college fund to do it. THAT is the service something like RC Heli brings. I like most people love reading about the ultra high end stuff, but at the end of the day most us us want to know about what we can afford.

I do understand that some people have to justify the money they spend by degrading the less expensive products, but the reality is that person with the crappy $300 RTF is having just as much fun as the person who spent $3000. There are people that can't accept that and it is a shame. I know that there are a lot of people who think this hobby would be better served if inexpensive helicopters never existed. It is a short sighted ignorant viewpoint because the cheap crap is what drives the industry. And you can't get the word out without something like RC Heli.

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03-19-2009 03:28 AM  8 years agoPost 67
Dood

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JasonJ, Your analogies are flawed.
+1 to that.

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03-19-2009 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 68
ch-47c

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JasonJ, Your analogies are flawed.
+1

Why doesn't RC Heli do a review of some Air Hogs?

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03-19-2009 04:04 PM  8 years agoPost 69
JasonJ

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Okay, IF my analogy is flawed, I am fine with that. If someone can actually give me an intelligent reason that would be awesome otherwise I stand behind what I have said.

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03-19-2009 04:37 PM  8 years agoPost 70
Grant H

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03-19-2009 05:39 PM  8 years agoPost 71
JasonJ

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Now THAT is funny!

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03-20-2009 12:41 AM  8 years agoPost 72
doorman

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My 2 Cents......

I have read this ENTIRE RANT/Thread and there are some good points made for both sides.... BUT I think we also had one of these for the last months issue too.... but without the mag rep's stepping in to acknowledge that they are reading/listening and taking notes on what we want to see and read....
Last month, I noted that this magazine was targeting the beginner pilots, and that is a good thing, since there are not a LOT of places for them to go and find out what a flybar is, or what it does,how to do a tic toc, or simply the general info that "us" know it all's tend to take for granted and forget that we needed to ask someone in the past ourselves...
I am not crazy about seeing pants down around someones butt, BUT, it is also and accepted part of our culture now... didn't say I like it but will have to deal with a lot of people that just want to dress funny.... as far as the "hot babes" leave them in.... it does this old heart good!!!!!!!!!!
Would I buy a car or have an operation performed by someone that dressed funny or had a poor hair day... most likely NOT, but that is my choice, isn't it....
And after reading this months issue, I would have to stick with my original thoughts, even though I did really enjoy the Tech Tip on page 32... THANK YOU JIM!!!!!! But I did find a couple of things to read that kept my interest in this one... not the entire mag but some and I am OK with this.... if I want a totally black and white tech manual, I can download most of the build manuals and go over them myself... do I feel that the rating system, is dead on... NO WAY.... and I think that should really be taken a look at since it will influence so many newbs, so accuracy there would be a big concern... example being, don't take a machine, of any size electric or nitro and grade it on what the grader thought it should do if it had XYZ...
Grade for what it is intended to do.... NOT EVERY HELI IS 3d Capable nor intended to be... so you don't take a sport machine and grade it on the same scale as a 700n or that sort of machine...
Point is this, right now there is not a lot to choose from in this sport... I get most of my scale build info from Heli World.... but I will still subscribe to RC Heli just to see what others are looking at and what they have to say... if I don't agree, that's on me, and if there is something that I can pick up on, they have done their job... they will never be able to please everyone, but like I said about a book ago, AT LEAST THEY ARE LISTENIING and responding... and I think that shows a class act that is trying to learn and to the best they can with what they have to work with... I give all the contributing editors a lot of credit... when I am building, I am too busy to right anything down and remember to take pictures.... it is an art.... and thank you guys for doing it....
OK, now, EVERYBODY pull you pants up, go get a dammed hair cut, add MORE hot babe's and lets get on with the heli flying!!!!! Stan

JMHO and I am now off the soap box.....oh and yes, I am one of those old guys in the shorts and sneakers (58 and 50 years modeling!!!)... and the only reason we pull them up that high is so that they won't fall down and cause someone to hurt themselves from laughing so hard!!!!

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03-20-2009 01:39 PM  8 years agoPost 73
heli-cuzz

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No one loves a RevMax any better than me
I do.

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03-20-2009 04:55 PM  8 years agoPost 74
JasonJ

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In all fairness to their rating system, it does have a section that states who the helicopter is for. Also, it will usually (but not always) state somewhere in the review what the helicopter is best used for. So as long as people actually read the review, they will know that the coax got a 4.5 for being a good casual/beginner level product and the Aurora got a 4.5 for being an advanced level 3D beast.

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03-20-2009 09:48 PM  8 years agoPost 75
doorman

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Good Idea...... JasonJ

Also, it will usually (but not always) state somewhere in the review what the helicopter is best used for
I did catch this on a couple that I have read and think it is a good idea and to maybe even make it a BOLD Object at the very beginning of every article/review....
You know how most people read.... go to the scores and look for a 4 or 5 or its junk!!!!!!!!!! (and it still maybe!!!!)
But it could help....

Stan

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03-21-2009 08:16 AM  8 years agoPost 76
ch-47c

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I don't think you can really give an objective score for subjective reviews. Unless you can give repeatable and consistent numbers in the reviews such as rate of climb to a specific altitude, acceleration to a specific speed that all helis are measured against in time or distance, those scores are simply someones opinion. It doesn't make a difference who the tester or reviewer is, if they are not repeatable, consistent, or compared to a standard that everyone agrees, it means nothing. You have to measure them like real aircraft.
The reviews that have numbers like barometric pressure and temperature which mean nothing for comparison, unless it is corrected for a standard atmosphere, lapse rate, or a base that everyone agrees.

IMHO, if you took any review and simply changed the name in the review, they all sound the same.

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