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› Nitro pilot considering going electric
03-18-2009 03:21 AM  8 years agoPost 21
cstoneman

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Fly what you want. I like smoke.

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03-18-2009 03:52 AM  8 years agoPost 22
chopper_crazy

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I have been flying electric birds for the last two years. Last week, I gave in and bought a t-rex 600 nitro pro just for something different. There are pros and cons of both. I actually am a little more intimidated by the nitro for some reason even though I have a t-rex 600esp also.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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03-18-2009 04:12 AM  8 years agoPost 23
cstoneman

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Probably the noise. I flew my gasser on Sunday, and the engine noise and those 730 Carbon blades spinning tend to make me think about decapitation.

I always preflight the gasser twice.

Oh, I forgot, the gasser doesn't smoke. Better get rid of it.

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03-18-2009 12:13 PM  8 years agoPost 24
OICU812

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Edson, Alberta,​Canada

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I'll pretty much agree with Rons informative post on this one, save me a ton of typing indeed .

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-18-2009 01:49 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Washedashore

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Vineyard Haven Ma.

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Both Nitro & Electric have there strong & weak points. I have a trex 450 & a Gaui 500 Elec. on the Nitro side I fly a Secadu 50 & a Freya 90. The main factor as to which I fly is 1) The weather as we do fly indoors in the winter (elec no brainer) in the summer its all Nitro's
I do bring my electrics out so they dont collect dust all summer.

Helicopters can’t fly,, They beat the air into submission..

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03-18-2009 01:51 PM  8 years agoPost 26
concept1

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i also have to agree with Ron, I switched to Electrics 2 yrs ago and I can tell you my costs have gone way down, so For me it is cheaper to fly electrics, but I am running A123's,I have been running many of the same A123 cells for the past 2 years and I have had to replace 2 cells out of the 75 cells I am now flying, originally started with 40 cells.

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03-18-2009 03:36 PM  8 years agoPost 27
phil evon

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i thought about electric as well but staying nitro for now

AMA 125840

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03-18-2009 08:54 PM  8 years agoPost 28
compumise

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Montgomery AL

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Packs

I "KO"ed a TREX 500. Head first yesterday. Total wreck. But the pack was just fine.

TREX 500ESP 3G FBL

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03-19-2009 07:06 AM  8 years agoPost 29
duff

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Calgary, Alberta,​Canada

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for small birds like 450 class I like electric, for larger I like nitro.

Mini Titan e325 for elec.
Raptor 50 Titan for nitro

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03-19-2009 07:15 AM  8 years agoPost 30
mchammer

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California,USA

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I flew my gasser on Sunday, and the engine noise and those 730 Carbon blades spinning tend to make me think about decapitation.
LOL...thats kinda funny.

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!

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03-19-2009 08:30 AM  8 years agoPost 31
TOSH

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l can fly my Logo 500 V-bar all day pretty well back to back, well l could if my brain would stand it. l have four packs and three chargers. l charge a 2C, it takes 25minutes. l get 5minute flights but if l wanted to tune down to nitro power l could easily get nito flight times. Never took a lipo out in a crash but l have took out an engine and muffler in a nitro crash. ln the UK 30% nitro is $45.oo. lt`s now much cheeper to fly eletric but that not why l fly them, there are many other plusses for me.

Flybars. Who needs `em.

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03-23-2009 06:14 PM  8 years agoPost 32
automan

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Topeka, Ks - USA

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Thanks guys! That was some great info. For an “E” noob like me, it was really valuable. I'm sure I'll be giving electric a try someday and when I do, I'll be much more knowledgeable about the pros and cons.

Thanks again!
Dan

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03-23-2009 10:43 PM  8 years agoPost 33
Richardmid1

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I too have to say that li-po's can be good for 150+ cycles, in 4 years I have only damaged 1 li-po in a crash, 30 min charge times, sure a nitro heli may fly for twice as long at a time IF your doing hard 3D with your electric heli but can you just pull into a car park or any open area and fly your nitro by just plugging a battery in? You are also limited on power with a nitro, its enough but you can go silly with electric power wise if you wish.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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03-24-2009 02:27 AM  8 years agoPost 34
cstoneman

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I'm building a Rave that will run 4S, and if I can get 150 cycles, I will be happy. I am going to get four batteries, and I bought a Hyperion EOS0610duo that will charge 2 at once, so maybe I will change my mind in the future, but I still like nitro and Gas for the big birds.

It's still easier to pump nitro into a tank, then charging a bunch of batteries.

The bottom line, is they both have their place, and I don't understand why some folks think you should either have one or the other.

To be honest, that noisy fan on the charger is a bit irritating. I can't imagine having four of them running, that I would need if all my birds were electric.

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03-24-2009 04:07 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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To be honest, that noisy fan on the charger is a bit irritating. I can't imagine having four of them running, that I would need if all my birds were electric.
The noisy charger fan????? Have you HEARD a nitro motor?

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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03-24-2009 05:09 AM  8 years agoPost 36
cstoneman

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I can't run my nitros in my office, my wife gets upset for some reason.

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03-24-2009 11:02 AM  8 years agoPost 37
Richardmid1

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I think if you have lots of time to fly then nitro is ok, but for those who can only get a couple of flights in after work or whenever then electric is the only option really.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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03-24-2009 02:05 PM  8 years agoPost 38
concept1

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Youngstown, OH

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this weekend I really remembered why I went to electrics. i went to the field and brought my 450, my new Trex 500 and my E620,and 3 batteries for all. I got in all my flights and I watched 2 guys fiddle around with their nitro's and 1 give up! It was a enjoyable comedy act though, 3 guys all had various degrees of low batteries in thier starters, glow igniters and just bad glow plugs. going from one heli to another trying to find something that worked!
nitro's and electrics both have thier place and i do like to watch a good 90 fly, but for me it's hard to beat a E-powerd 50 or 500 sized for the overall performance, 5-7 minute flights work very well for me, but not for others, it really just boils down to what works for you, I have seen guys give up on both for silly problems or just lack of Knowledge, guys giveup on nitro because they have flame outs every flight, when a simple adjustment probably would have fixed it. or give up on electrics because of $300 batteries, when they could have tried $100 A123's. their are LOTS of options which is what makes this Hobby go, their should be something to fit everyone today! But NO way do I buy Electrics are more expensive! yes they can be but they also can be Much much Cheaper then Nitro!

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03-29-2009 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 39
TOSH

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(Sigh)There's nothing like the smell of burn't nitro. Wonder if you get the same pleasure from burn't batteries?

l don`t think this poor bloke would agree.

Flybars. Who needs `em.

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03-31-2009 04:27 AM  8 years agoPost 40
GScott

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Lewis Center, OH

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I used to fly electric bigger than a 500 but the cost just wasn't feasible. Big electrics have their advantage but cost isn't one of them. I easily get 9 minute flights on a Vibe 50 at a headspeed of 2050 (and 12-13 flights per gallon). Anyone paying more than $25 for 30% nitro in the states isn't looking hard enough. Both Wildcat and Magnum can be purchased for less than $20 a gallon. Wildcat was selling the 30% Curtis fuel for $19/gallon at the Toledo show this year. That equates to less than $0.18 per minute. On my Logo 500 I was getting 5 minute flights out of a $275 Outrage pack. Assuming 100 good cycles that's $0.55 per minute. With nitro the power is consistent for the entire flight not really good and gradually worse like electric. I almost crashed a Protos pulling out of a tail slide near the end of the pack because the power wasn't there.

Batteries are also a crap shoot. Even the top of line packs can puff for no apparent reason. I've had Outage, FP, and TP packs lose noticeable power after 40 flights while others lasted longer. Just 2 weekends ago my friend puffed 3 Outrage packs in the same day on 2 different helis. Other may not have damaged packs in a crash but I had one crash on the Logo 500 and it took out the pack. It's a crap shoot.

As far as running a nitro engine lean that's usually a piston and ring for $50. I've had all mine fixed for free by OS. You could just as easily pull too many amps at the end of a flight and puff a pack and be out almost $300. How about burning up an ESC? Just ask the Outrage 550 guys running CC HV85's. That's $200 gone. Engine tuning is a thing of the past with a Multigov v2 or Carbsmart.

As far as A123's and Zippy packs they don't have the power and performance of a good lipo so don't count on being able to save $$$ by using them. In the end it's all personal preference and like I said electric have advantages but for me $$$ isn't one of them.

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