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03-19-2009 05:46 AM  8 years agoPost 21
cmulder

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only usefull when you see it coming

explain how a gun is going to protect you if you do not predict the danger?

It still takes time to take it out of its holder aim and fire.
And that assumes you have the skills.
question; which us state requires people to prove they are able to handle the guns properly and verifies those skills are still current?
And what are the measures to prevents the weapons ending up in the wrong hands like kids? and how are those measures enforced?

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03-19-2009 01:02 PM  8 years agoPost 22
baby uh1

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Explain how not having a gun protects you at all.

In my state you have to go to certified classes to get your permit to carry. This class instructs you in safe carry and in proper usage of defence with a handgun. It is in many way better that the training that most police officers get here.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-19-2009 05:39 PM  8 years agoPost 23
cmulder

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diference in protection

not carrying a gun removes the risk of hurting yourself or others unintentionally with that gun and that in result increases your protection.

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03-19-2009 06:42 PM  8 years agoPost 24
JohnLund

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those who feel the need for weapons should compare the crime figures of the USA with those of the Netherlands.
That's just...not going to work on so many levels. Let's not even discuss that they are completely different countries, with completely different cultures, and histories, but the difference in population alone would make that a useless comparison since the countries population is less than that of New York state.
not carrying a gun removes the risk of hurting yourself or others unintentionally with that gun and that in result increases your protection.
So does not driving a car, yet another "just not going to work" argument.

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03-19-2009 06:45 PM  8 years agoPost 25
A. Bundy

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not flying a rc heli removes the risk of hurting yourself or others unintentionally with that heli and that in result increases your protection.
Fixed

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03-19-2009 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 26
baby uh1

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I've never seen a gun that could assault me even accidentally. Most of the time they just lay where ever you leave them.
Now cabbage, That scares me.

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03-20-2009 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 27
cmulder

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stats do compaire

the netherlands is one of the most densest populated countries in the world and its verry eazy to see what the crime figures are for each 1000 people or so ; all this is basic statistics.

diferent culture ; well true the netherlands does not have a gun culture and no media who scares the people into thinking they need guns.
The same goes for Ireland although there is a lot less people here(guess they all left for the states?)

ALso not driving a car is not a exuse for not going to work; i cycle to work and save money on not only the running insurance cost of owing a car (you should check the cost of petrol alone in in Ireland..) also it saves me paying money to get exercise in a gym.
I also save time since i can pass all those stuck in traffic.

Also compare the figures of people killed in cycle incidents and the incidents including cars.

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03-20-2009 06:27 AM  8 years agoPost 28
cstoneman

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I am not going to argue this one.

We have a little thing called the 2nd amendment. End of story.

Don't like guns, don't come to the USA. Simple.

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03-20-2009 06:40 AM  8 years agoPost 29
JohnLund

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stats do compaire
No, they don't
the netherlands is one of the most densest populated countries in the world and its verry eazy to see what the crime figures are for each 1000 people or so ; all this is basic statistics.
So what? It is a country with less people than New York. And let me see if I can explain this to you, and if you can grasp it...PEOPLE commit crimes, GUNS do NOT commit crimes. Say it a few times, let it kick around in your head for a while, see if it sticks. Ok, ok, one more time just to be sure you got it, PEOPLE commit crimes, GUNS do NOT commit crimes.

And if you take a look at places like Chicago, New York, DC, Los Angeles, etc...you'll find a couple common themes. 1) They are all democrat run, 2) They all have strict gun laws, 3) they all have high crime rates, 4) They are all notorious for democrat social experiments, do you seem a theme there? Is it sinking in yet? Put the rabbit ears up, and see if you can tune it in.
diferent culture ; well true the netherlands does not have a gun culture and no media who scares the people into thinking they need guns.
The media here, which is HEAVILY biased to the left, does everything they can to make guns into the bad guy. They do everything they can to detract responsibility from the PERSON THAT COMMITTED THE CRIME, and try to lay the blame on an inanimate object. They do not "scare people into thinking they need guns", they just try to make people scared of guns.
ALso not driving a car is not a exuse for not going to work; i cycle to work and save money on not only the running insurance cost of owing a car (you should check the cost of petrol alone in in Ireland..) also it saves me paying money to get exercise in a gym.
I also save time since i can pass all those stuck in traffic.
Who said anything about driving to work? The comparison was made because there a THOUSANDS more vehicular accidents every year than gun accidents, but people aren't crying about banning cars.

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03-20-2009 06:43 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Dennis (RIP)

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And if you take a look at place like Chicago, New York, DC, Los Angeles, etc...you find a couple common themes. 1) They are all democrat run, 2) They all have strict gun laws, 3) they all have high crime rates, 4) They are all notorious for democrat social projects, do you seem a theme there? Is it sinking in yet? Put the rabbi ears up, and see if you can tune it in.
Well said John. Perfect.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-20-2009 12:44 PM  8 years agoPost 31
baby uh1

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ANd the fact show that when ever we have concealed carry we are safer and have less crime.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-20-2009 03:39 PM  8 years agoPost 32
Skarn

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And lets not forget the few towns in America wither gun ownership is mandatory....like Kennesaw Georgia...the crime has plummeted since the law went into effect in 1982.

Oh and what about Switzerland? Every household must have a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition....their crime rate is is very low there as well.

Think about it....if you are a criminal...and are going to break into someone's home, would you choose a town where you KNOW everyone has a gun by law...or the next town over where it's not mandatory?

Skarn

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03-20-2009 05:43 PM  8 years agoPost 33
drdot

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fwqiw..

How about that IRA... looks like they're back... might be wishing for a second amendment in Ireland soon...Good craick, that!

BC

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03-20-2009 10:59 PM  8 years agoPost 34
A. Bundy

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In Illinois we are allowed to carry a white flag on a stick,but it has to be licensed and kept locked in your trunk during transport.

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03-20-2009 11:02 PM  8 years agoPost 35
Dennis (RIP)

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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-20-2009 11:53 PM  8 years agoPost 36
baby uh1

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explain how a gun is going to protect you if you do not predict the danger?
If you could predict the danger wouldn't you go somewhere else in the first place?

Maybe in Ill. the Gov. can get you some shirts with the word VICTIM HERE printed on them.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-20-2009 11:56 PM  8 years agoPost 37
Dennis (RIP)

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Maybe the Ill. Gov. can get you some shirts with the word VICTIM HERE printed on them
How about "SHOOT ME"

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-22-2009 03:24 AM  8 years agoPost 38
cmulder

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How about that IRA... looks like they're back... might be wishing for a second amendment in Ireland soon...Good craick, that!
I am not afraid about the IRA at all; if you knew anything about them you know why.

you guys are just afraid; i spend December and January in north Miami beach at times going for a walk on my own at night and there has never been a time i was worried about crime.
There is large black and Hispanic population that might be the difference there.
Oh and what about Switzerland? Every householdmust have a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition....their crime rate is is very low there as well.
That is a outright lie; to speed up mobilization people who are part of the army keep there gear at home.
So this is restricted to a small trained group.
They are NOT allowed to carry it out on the streets unless part of a exercise.
At home its kept in a secure place.

In a way the pro-gun people try to prove the usa is a very primitive (lack of) civilization where violence is common.

right?

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03-22-2009 03:53 AM  8 years agoPost 39
baby uh1

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I think that in Switzerland every adult male of military age is required to have their military firearm at their home.
Before legal concealed carry tourists like you were getting robbed and asaulted in Florida at epidemic rate but since CC you can walk around safe.
Your welcome!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-23-2009 04:19 AM  8 years agoPost 40
drdot

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fwiw...

Afraid I do know a bit about the IRA...Spent some time in the Auld Sod, and wife's first gen Irish ancestry...I'd BE afraid of the IRA if I wuz there...Bottom line...Only "Right" any creature has is to defend itself..I simply prefer the assistance of Col. Colt and Mr. Browning.

BC

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