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12-27-2008 09:36 PM  8 years agoPost 1
tchavei

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Portugal

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Hi all

In the last couple of weeks I have been debating about getting a 500 sized heli to use during the week to get more practice (currently I can only fly my FBL Vibe 50 on sundays). I can't take my nitro bird with me all the time as the hassle of carrying multiple cases and fuel everyday isn't an option. I have to travel between jobs almost every second day and I happen to pass right next to my flying field. I was thinking that a small convenient 500 sized would be the ideal to get some practice.

I already have 3 x 9650 servos, a spartan gyro and a 617 rx and I'm planning in getting a 9257 for the tail. My problem is with what heli I should go. I was considering the Trex 500, the L400 and the protos. I don't like the L400 head design so that leaves the trex 500 and the protos. The T500 is slightly cheaper as it already comes with a motor and esc but I like the protos design better. If I go the protos route, is the stock motor ok or should I get the scorpion 880kv right away? If I get the scorpion, can I run it with an align 60a esc? I really don't wan't to spend a ton of money onto something I'm not even sure I'm going to really put up to use. If I go with the scorpion motor and align 60A, what pinion will I need with a 6S Outrage 2500mAh battery? I can get my hands on two of them at a very good price (new) so those would be the batteries I would run.

I've seemed to read that the protos is more fragile in a crash. How is it with spare parts? I live in Portugal so my closest source of parts (and the kit) would be either Midlands or FastLad.

Thanks for any input.

Tony

PS - Does anybody know if the protos sold in the UK has already all the upgrades and the "free update pack" mentioned on this forum?


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12-27-2008 09:45 PM  8 years agoPost 2
DWyn

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FAREHAM, Hants - UK

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Tony
all new models come with the upgraded bits, got mine 2nd hand and would not say its that fragile at all (Real Raptors still sent me the updates FOC). I'm running exactly that set up on mine and 5S 3300Ma aurorra packs using about 45% for a 5 min run.

Stock motor is fine but does get hot using an align 60Amp esc with it.

I fly this more than my trex 600N/E and really love it.

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12-27-2008 09:52 PM  8 years agoPost 3
tchavei

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Thx for your info. I haven't done the math between the kit with stock motor and the kit without motor + the scorpion one but if the price diff is low, maybe the scorpion is a better choice.

What about MSH bec? Is it out yet? It was said late december... well it can't get any later than this

What pinion is recommendable for a 6s setup? 15T? Does that come in the kit?

Thx

Tony


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12-27-2008 10:53 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Ronald Thomas

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This is how I would look at it.
The Trex 500 is beefier and heavier so the performance is not going to be as good as the others. The logo 400 (non-Vbar) needs a lot of upgrades to be even in the same league as the others (bushings in the head, plastic swashplate, etc) and it is as heavy as the Trex too. The Protos is the only one of the bunch that gives you lightweight, low cost, awesome performance, and excellent value of the three.
The Stock motor does get hot but is has awesome power and you don't hear of if failing. The Protos has lightning fast cyclics and is nimble but stable in the air.
A lot of people have had a lot of success with the Scorpion motor as well so you can get the kit without the motor and get that motor. I used the Kora and had great success with it. Loads of power and great efficiency.
I don't know about the MSH BEC but the Kontronics Jazz 80-6-18 will fit the bill well.
Buy the best electronics you can afford and I promise you, you will be happy.
As for the heli being fragile....I had a tail-to-the-concrete crash and the frames were fine so I don't necessarily subscribe to the fragile statement. Besides, do you want a heli built to fly or crash?
The parts prices for the Protos are also among the lowest.
As you can guess, I vote for the Protos ......Ron

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12-27-2008 11:21 PM  8 years agoPost 5
CatchMyStratus

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Ohio

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I know you are not in the USA, but this link shows you the price differences between the different kits: http://www.readyheli.com/MS_Heli_Protos_Parts_s/165.htm

They just recently started offering kit without blades/motor.

The kit with motor is only a few more bucks, might as well get it for a backup. The kit comes with a 15T pinion (NOT 18T!!) and is suited for the stock motor and 6s.

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12-27-2008 11:21 PM  8 years agoPost 6
tnbulldog

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Cookeville, TN

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I've tried both the stock motor and the Scorpion. At the current pricing of the kit with motor only being somewhere around $18 more than without the motor - the stock motor is the way to go.
The Scorpion does run cooler and has marginally more power but nothing worth the extra money.
I have run the Align 60A on both motors and had zero problems - you just can't run the governor mode. I am also running the internal bec with no problems.
The kit flies superb and you won't be disappointed - you will appreciate all the little design touches that Corrado built into the heli. You can really tell he put alot of time and effort into designing the Protos.

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12-28-2008 12:13 AM  8 years agoPost 7
RICH.L

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east springfield​p.a.

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Tchavei,I have not had a chance yet to fly my protos but from just the build it looks like a very well laid out machine!!

I am planning on getting mine going in the next couple of weeks.

I will be using the align 60 amp esc.

I sold my mini titan to get this and plan on using it to fly on lunch hours and in between flying my nitro machine!!(aka 600 NSP)

rich

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12-28-2008 01:18 AM  8 years agoPost 8
tchavei

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Thx for the info guys. It makes the decision a little easier

The british pound is right now in the toilet (so to speak ) so getting a kit in the Uk is cheaper than anywhere else in the world.

I guess I have to start harrasing a couple of stores

with the align 60A, what curves are you guys running? 100,80,100 or flat 100? What headspeed gives that and how much are getting out of a 6s 2500mAh bat?

Sorry for all the questions

Tony

PS - Another question lol... does the o-ring kit for the bat and esc come with the kit or needs to be bought separately?

Thx


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12-28-2008 01:55 AM  8 years agoPost 9
CatchMyStratus

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O-rings come with the kit. You might want to order the MSH 3K tail blades, they are stiffer. Other than that, the kit has everything. (even the ball reamer)

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12-28-2008 02:00 AM  8 years agoPost 10
tchavei

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How long are the tail blades anyway?

I guess I need to finish my way overdue reviews asap as I smell a new bird comming soon

Tony


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01-01-2009 11:23 AM  8 years agoPost 11
SRH990

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I bought my Protos from Andy at Real Raptors and, at the time, he was the UK distributor, not sure if he still is but he holds a good stock of spares which is near enough 100% and I always get them next day by post.

It is fragile in a crash but parts are reasonably priced and now you can buy plastic components without hardware which makes them even cheaper. The main frames do seem to be susceptible to damage in a crash, prices are, again, reasonable but it's a pain to have to rebuild most of the heli to replace it. There's a carbon frame supposedly on the way early this year so I'm waiting to see how much this is going to be.

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4

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01-01-2009 03:56 PM  8 years agoPost 12
bapgood

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Smithfield, Utah -​USA

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The Protos's fragility or crash worthiness is highly debated topic and you will get opinions from one extreme to the other and every where in between.

I bought a Protos as my first heli.

I justified it by the cost of the replacement parts combined with the excellent customer service and product support/development Corrado and MSH offer.

Go through the forums and you will see what I and everybody else are talking about when it comes to Corrado and MSH.

As far as a Motor and ESC goes -
Like everyone else has stated the motor runs hot, but I have not read about any failures.
The Only issue I have read is that due to the close proximity of the motor and ESC on a hot day the heat from the motor can be enough to put the ESC in thermal shutdown.

I'm currently using a Scorpion 90amp ESC on 6S 2200 and the motor runs hot like everybody else. I don't believe the ESC has much to do with the heat - just my 2cents.

MSH should be coming out with there 80amp ESC in the near future. I believe it was foretasted at ~$150usd and it included switch mode bec, soft start, gov, and programing card.

My advice to anybody who asks or listens is - Do your research, make a choice, and don't look back.

Go have fun flying - A bad day flying is better than a good day a work.....just more expensive

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01-01-2009 04:57 PM  8 years agoPost 13
CatchMyStratus

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Ohio

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Actually I read the MSH esc would be around $115-125.

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01-01-2009 04:59 PM  8 years agoPost 14
bapgood

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Actually I read the MSH esc would be around $115-125.
Even Better

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01-02-2009 01:04 PM  8 years agoPost 15
yapjy

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Singapore

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tchavei, I was in the same position as you. I had the Vibe 50 but I wish to have a smaller heli that I can bring around and fly easily.

Bought the Protos.

The Vibe 50 sits on the shelf more often now.

My Protos setup is as follows:
1) Stock motor
2) CC 80A ESC, with BEC
3) Futaba S9650 for cyclics
4) Futaba GY401/S9650 for tail control
5) Aligh 6S 2600mah LiPo batteries

For aerobatics, I run a 100-90-100 throttle curve.

The rotorhead is very similar to the Vibe 50. Stable yet quick.

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01-02-2009 06:54 PM  8 years agoPost 16
yuppy flyer

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The lightweight of the Protos makes it unbeatable for response, everyone comments how quick this heli is when they see mine running on 6S / 15T pinion. There are usually a lot of broken parts in a hard crash, but this is the price you pay for the lightweight, it makes other 500 helis look cumbersome. Parts are reasonably priced though and there is good UK availability.

I am using the Align ESC and standard motor with no probs. I chose to fit the Align DS510 servos on cyclics, but would probably go with something more expensive next time.

T-REX 600 Nitro, MSH Protos, Spektrum

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01-02-2009 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 17
tchavei

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Portugal

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Thx for the comments once again.

I'm waiting for Andy @ RealRaptors to give me a final quote on all the stuff I need (protos kit included) but it seems that I will get one of those for sure.

I already have cyclic servos (9650s), rx (617fasst), gyro (spartan) and batts (outrage 6S 2500mAh). only really need the esc (align 60 will have to do for now) a 9257 for the tail and the kit itself

Thx

Final question, is the tail driven during autos? It doesn't seem like it unless I'm seeing something wrong.

Tony


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01-02-2009 07:22 PM  8 years agoPost 18
CatchMyStratus

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Ohio

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Yes, tail is driven. The one-way bearing is built into the pinion.

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01-02-2009 07:23 PM  8 years agoPost 19
DriveWRX

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Final question, is the tail driven during autos? It doesn't seem like it unless I'm seeing something wrong.
Yes, there is a one-way bearing in the pinion. So the whole drive train (main and tail) spins along with the pinion.

*EDIT* Hmmm didn't notice it was already answered...

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01-02-2009 07:31 PM  8 years agoPost 20
tchavei

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Oh thats the reason the pinion has a one way...

Thx.

I remembered another thing... sorry... what tail blades do you guys use?

I'm starting to sound like an old lady with question questions questions

TOny


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