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12-26-2008 05:02 PM  8 years agoPost 1
patrickegan

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I need the whole shebang; producer, writer, director for a short observer training video.

This is strictly Hollywood, all on the come, any volunteers?

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12-26-2008 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 2
BigguyOz

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Good luck.

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12-26-2008 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Chez143

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training video on the helicopter? what do you mean? more details

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12-26-2008 08:57 PM  8 years agoPost 4
patrickegan

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What I’m looking for is a developing a training video for what would be termed an “observer” (for all platforms, air and ground) In an effort to have this position be one that can be detailed by the PIC (Pilot in Command) instead of FAA certificated.

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12-26-2008 10:15 PM  8 years agoPost 5
oakley

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Seems like there needs to be some standards for the PIC first.

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12-26-2008 10:23 PM  8 years agoPost 6
patrickegan

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PIC will be regulated, as will observer unless we can come up with an alternative. There are only a few producer credits available, so you’d better hurry.

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12-26-2008 10:25 PM  8 years agoPost 7
papatango

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Observer training video? "PIC" vs FAA certification?

Who's driving the RCAPA bus? Stevie Wonder?

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12-26-2008 10:31 PM  8 years agoPost 8
patrickegan

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I don’t understand why this has to be so difficult. Would you rather have a certification developed by the FAA with a medical, or would your rather have an opportunity to train your own people?

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12-26-2008 10:33 PM  8 years agoPost 9
oakley

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I don’t understand why this has to be so difficult. Would you rather have a certification developed by the FAA with a medical, or would your rather have an opportunity to train your own people?
Depends who of 'us' is going to be doing the training.

Might be better off with the FAA rather than some big headed toy heli pilot.

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12-26-2008 10:35 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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Just throwing it out there, if certificated with a medical is cool with you, its fine with me.

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12-26-2008 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 11
oakley

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I personally already have a first class FAA medical and its not that big of a deal.
But I can see your point how some of these guys might be uneasy with any sort of medical requirements.That may be whats keeping them flying toys in the first place.

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12-26-2008 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 12
patrickegan

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Maybe, but I'm only talking about observers here, not pilots.

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12-26-2008 10:53 PM  8 years agoPost 13
papatango

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Are you downplaying the role of the observer? The person who is responsible for verbally directing the actions of the pilot, based on their visual interpretation of a heli's position, velocity, heading??

You should downplay the role of commercial copilots, air traffic controllers, Rio's & HLO's, too, you moron.

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12-26-2008 11:09 PM  8 years agoPost 14
patrickegan

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No, not downplaying anything just the operational envelope is very small.Do you require all of your crew to have a current medical(s)?
you moron
And I'm a jerk?

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12-27-2008 01:59 AM  8 years agoPost 15
papatango

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No, not a jerk, a Moron; stop putting words in peoples mouths, you jerk.

You say the operational envelope is small?

A locked out or malfunctioning ship, slowstick or heli, can fly for miles. Are you willing to put all the people and property, in that area, at risk with unqualified people?

The "small guy" you seek to represent the most will probably focus on real estate, a congested and difficult physical area to control.

Are you going to lower your standards for your observers(you made no mention of your crew size in original post), and risk the impact of a craft that can sever limbs, start fires or cause a major traffic accident?

Why shoud observers have any less ability, mental or physical, than the pilot.

Yet one more blundering step in RCAPA's pursuit of their own set of regulations.

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12-27-2008 02:08 AM  8 years agoPost 16
oakley

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What about people doing this solo?
Are they going to require an observer also?

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12-27-2008 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 17
patrickegan

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Okay, so are we to assume your people are certified and have medicals. So for the rest of us morons, what is a certified person going to do in a flyaway that a person with a driver’s license can’t? The pilot has to certify that there is no risk of a flyaway, not the observer. Crew size is dependent on the size of the aircraft and how it is operated. In the UK they aren’t thus far proposing requiring the same for operators or observers of aircraft up to 20kg. Are they blundering too, or are you just grinding an axe?

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12-27-2008 02:33 AM  8 years agoPost 18
papatango

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Egan:
"so are we to assume your people are certified and have medicals".

PT:
If needed, yes. Would you stand up in a court of law and say that you're sorry, but you didn't know your observer didn't have vision acute enough to see the helicopter heading into a schoolyard?

Egan:
"what is a certified person going to do in a flyaway that a person with a driver’s license can’t"

PT
A certified person will not be a 16 year old brother or sister with a pair of binoculars and A.D.D., nor so physically out of shape that they cannot pursue an errant crafts path on foot, and will not suffer sunstroke while staring into the sun all afternoon.

Egan:
"The pilot has to certify that there is no risk of a flyaway, not the observer:

PT:

Last time I checked, Helicommand didn't come with a "no-lock-out" guarantee, and "pilot-error" is a term still used by the NTSB.

Egan:
"In the UK they aren’t thus far proposing requiring the same for operators or observers of aircraft up to 20kg"

PT:
If an operator is willing to run a 40lb craft, solo, then he/she better ensure the only liability is their own a**. Though solo flight has some pseudo-safe applications, I doubt you'll ever see a licensed, insured, and reputable company doing it regularly.

Egan:
"are you just grinding an axe"

PT:

You have no idea.

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12-27-2008 02:38 AM  8 years agoPost 19
BigguyOz

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Gees Patrick, I can't help wondeing if some people dream about you in their sleep!

I cannot for the life of me see anything wrong with the intention to avoid having an FAA certificated observer (with medical). To compare an RC AP observer's role with that of a co-pilot is spurious at best.

If creating a training video (which PICs could use as a means of satisfying themselves that any observer they use is able to carry out the task), can avoid the FAA getting involved, I say it is a good thing.

Only people whose vision is clouded by personal animosity could possibly think otherwise.

Tony Stott

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12-27-2008 03:27 AM  8 years agoPost 20
patrickegan

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Its moved beyond that, it’s a sickness

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