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12-26-2008 07:23 AM  8 years agoPost 1
wws2010

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La Cresenta,​California - United​States

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I am a month into nitro learning and have been flying a belt cp before that for about 4 months. I am in forward flight thanks to realflight and phoenix. I have some money and was considering converting my raptor 30 to a 50? I would get either an os or a redline. Would it be worth it? I was also considering getting a honey bee king 2 to practice at my house? I am worried about lack of parts though because of the the new v3 that came out. Which would be more conducive to learning? I no longer have the belt but the cheap parts made me more calm at the sticks. Any help or suggestions? I really like the 50 size though.

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12-26-2008 07:51 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Dood

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Sticking it out with the 30 for as long as possible will only make you a better pilot in the long run. Consider yourself privileged that you have it.

With that 30, you can perfect clean maneuvers, and you'll be better with collective management than anyone.

When there is a maneuver that you CAN'T do on a 30, because the machine is holding you back, that's the time to upgrade.

you'll know when it's time.

Going to a 50 will allow your moves to be faster, tighter and snappier. Having excessive power when you're skills aren't ready to handle it just might make you a sloppy pilot.

I went from a 30 to a 50 to a 90 in a 3 month time frame. I admit that was a mistake.

I've given going to a 30 some thought. 15 minutes on a tank of fuel is pretty appealing.

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12-26-2008 07:55 AM  8 years agoPost 3
wws2010

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valid point, I am actually thinking of getting a t rex clone and decking that out cause replacement parts are so cheap and I have the ability to get nice and comfortable with the 3d maneuvers, the 30 has enough power too.

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12-26-2008 09:30 AM  8 years agoPost 4
jrett

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I would avoid the hbk2 as the stock bird has some serious design/manufacturing shortcomings. See the forum on this web site for the honey bee king. You'll find some seriously devoted fans, so it really depends on what you consider a bargain. You'll have to replace some parts to make it any good. I bought one and have been very unhappy with it.

For my money, I think the advice already given is pretty solid. If you want to go bigger, keep your 30 and also get a bigger bird. It's always nice to have choices when you go flying.

I personally went from a trex 450 se to a .50 nitro. I've been considering adding a gasser to my "fleet" though.

I bought my hbk2 after my .50, so it was like going backwards.

Anyway, good luck and Merry Xmas, er, uh, Happy Holidays...

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12-26-2008 01:50 PM  8 years agoPost 5
BJames111

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I went from a 30 to a 50 to a 90 in a 3 month time frame. I admit that was a mistake.
Dood is correct. I went from a 30 which I was learning quickly on, to a 90 which intimidated me and I did not progress. I sold the 90 and bought a 50 where I progressed quite a bit. After another 6 months or so I felt comfortable enough to buy a 90 again.

You'd be surprised what a 30 and a good pilot can do.

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12-26-2008 04:10 PM  8 years agoPost 6
busyflyin

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I got back into the RC hobby a couple of years ago and started out on a Sim and then a Raptor 50. I was hovering immediately and began FF after the first gallon. I had a couple of dumb crashes and really struggled to get comfortable with FF. A friend sold me his R30 for a great price and I began to fly that. After a short while, I was doing loops and rolls and felt very comfortable flying the 30. The 30 uses 550mm blades and has a gentler "bite" in the air. It's slower to react and for a beginner, I believe it's more fun to fly. I new it was time to transition back to the 50 when I started getting into trouble with the little 30. Twice I did a "touch and go" loop when it wouldn't pull out quickly enough and hit the ground at the bottom of the loop. Call it lack of skill, but I also call it lack of responsiveness. My suggestion is to listen to Dood. I would keep flying the heck out of that 30 and then buy a 50 with some nice gear in it that will let you grow through the next phase of flying. I sold that 30 and now have my Raptor Tian, a Knight 503D, and a Trex 500. I've owned a Stinger 90 and would have kept it, but didn't like the way it flew. When you move up to the 50, start out with a mild setup with at least 20% expo, until you are comfortable, and then start to trim it to a more aggressive setup. (paddles, dampers, maybe less expo, but not all at the same time). An interim step may be to put some narrow cord 600mm blades on that 30 and change your throttle curves to be more aggressive. You may be surprised with the results.

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12-26-2008 06:49 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Mapleleafs

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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=r2dMHOueLuI

i was never able to do this when i had my raptor 30.....all well.

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12-26-2008 06:55 PM  8 years agoPost 8
jgunpilot

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I miss my little Raptor .30. You really don't need a .50 until you want to do tic-tocs or something like that. The longer flight times were great, with my .50 Titan I'm always thinking about fuel status.

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12-26-2008 06:56 PM  8 years agoPost 9
USAF Retired

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Dido with Dood's Post....

Collective management and perspetive of the Heli is Key!

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12-26-2008 07:41 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Elgreco

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I too miss my 30

If you ever get a 50, just buy a new machine. Keep the 30 if it still performs fine.

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12-26-2008 07:46 PM  8 years agoPost 11
ssrobzoom

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What about a shuttle? It a great 30

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12-26-2008 09:41 PM  8 years agoPost 12
w8qz

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I agree with the posts above, generally, that a 30 forces you to learn the basics.

{I am amazed at that Youtube video link! It seems to me that you've gotta run a 30 extremely lean, to get that kinda power out of it - to the point that you're burning out glow plugs frequently. If the guy in the video was running 580 blades, and holding 2100 RPM, that's some amazing power out of a 30!}

Anyway, you do have to carefully manage the collective - none of this 'bury the stick' stuff. A high headspeed is needed to get good results. I'm still trying to get consistent rolls - loops seem easier. Also, from my experience, autos with a 30 are challenging - takes split-second timing to get one with no bounce. There doesn't seem to be nearly as much blade energy there, compared to the larger helis.

Anyway, don't be in a hurry to dump the 30 - fly it for a while, and learn all you can from it - it can be a good teacher. Fly it in the wind - learn to hover that thing in a 20 or 25 MPH wind - excellent practice (I know it'll do it - mine has!)

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12-27-2008 02:01 AM  8 years agoPost 13
h2xmark

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i would update your 30 with a metal head and good blades, also when you have some extra cash buy a few 50 conversion parts here and there. take your time and when you have all the parts you need go ahead and make it into a 50, i always find myself a little scared to try new stuff on my 50 but will not hesitate to try it on my 450 elect. [parts are cheaper]

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12-27-2008 02:55 AM  8 years agoPost 14
RappyTappy

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I say get a 50. The extra power to pull out of botched manuevers is a nice thing to have.

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12-27-2008 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 15
Theoneoffwizard

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R30 with a OS 37.......Can't go wrong.

Dave

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12-27-2008 04:32 AM  8 years agoPost 16
Mapleleafs

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for the priced of converting, i would just sell the 30 for $120-150 depending on condition and purchase a trex 600 sport for $290 or a used on for less....

makes the most sense....

Vbar Trex 700N, Vbar MSH Protos 500, Vbar Logo 400

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12-27-2008 11:23 AM  8 years agoPost 17
S Bell

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This is why:

Watch at YouTube

Here lay a video of a Raptor 50 with the Redline engine. This one could have started life as a 30. You can get an idea of the Raptor potential going to the increased sized model. You can also compare the performance level possible to other models out there. I've converted several 30s to 50s and it was fun, economical and easy. The key here is to wait until you pile it and that way get full use out of the existing parts like blades, spindle, boom etc. Keep in mind 30s are great for learning on and cheap to fuel. As you are learning staying with one model type has a distinct advantage for maintenance and setup. I know the Raptor won't let me down and as its been around so long many areas have been improved to extend the lifespan and handling. That's Colin Bell flying if anyone is interested.

w8qz and others offer sound advice.

FYI
50 Conversion kit Unit Price: $65.99USD plus blades motor and muffler

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12-27-2008 02:36 PM  8 years agoPost 18
h2xmark

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man cool video!!! talk about some hardcore flying, wish i was only half as good as him

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