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HelicopterAerial Photography and Video › Ok what's it take to get my RED in the air? 20+lb​Cinema Camera
12-27-2008 02:36 AM  8 years agoPost 41
obin

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Thanks doublah, note taken, with a grain of salt and a taste of tongue in cheek.

good to know that the trex would work well guys, will that copterfilm 3 axis mount work on it? anyone have photos of a setup like that?

Things I want:

1 360deg pan view with no landing gear

2 little to no vibration in the camera ( best for image stabilize and motion tracking later on)

3 super smooth pan/tilt gearing for "cinema" quality smooth shots
enough power so the chopper is not a "flying bomb" or "lawn dart" as some guys call it Over powered under stressed, is key.

4 at least 8min of flight time per fueling cycle be it electric or petro

5 A machine that is built to last, don't need a camera and chopper killing an actor or falling out of the sky and blowing 5-10k for fun

With all that said can some kind chap on this board ( without the salt and tounge in cheek) let me know the exact setup they would recommend for this with the Canon, electrics, radio, power, pan tilt mount, gyro etc etc for a setup like this, consider it a list that runs like this:

1 "money is no object"
2 "great but not the best"

thanks guys! this is a real help, I know many of you have gone down this road the hard way, buying crap, breaking choppers and cameras so I am sure I can learn from your mistakes

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12-27-2008 02:38 AM  8 years agoPost 42
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Trackhead is right. A Trex 600 converted to 700 or a TRex 700 nitro converted to electric will work just fine with the Canon 5D MKII. I use a TRex 700 with an electric conversion. Most powerful machine I've ever owned. This machine makes a great deal of money per month without any hassle at all. I can also use it to fly 3D on Sunday afternoons. Check out Vincent LaForet's review of the Canon 5D MKII. I'm planning on ordering one of these soon. Waiting on a few contracts to come through that will justify using it over my HC9.

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008...o-our-industry/

www.louisianahelicam.com

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12-27-2008 02:51 AM  8 years agoPost 43
obin

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Being a DP and Director I find myself far to often in need of that "perfect" air shot for a production, be it a commercial, film, or TV show....not really looking to "make money" but have the means to shoot that awesome shot for a production already in progress for me is key.

I LOVE air shots..some of my favorite cinematography

getting pretty excited about the prospects of the Canon, and a lower cost electric rig.....can anyone show me some really good sample shots in HD from a rig and the Canon? Something I can really judge the camera and rig from? no motion stabilizing just raw shots?

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12-27-2008 02:53 AM  8 years agoPost 44
obin

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Helicam, would that include the use of the CopterFilms mount, the Canon and all the downlink transmitters etc? no problem lifting that load?

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12-27-2008 02:55 AM  8 years agoPost 45
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Obin,
Where this is headed is a
Trex 700 electric,
Front mount camera (front mounts are best for video) 360 pan by a slow piro.
Check out Triaxis mount (fully 3 axis gyro stabilized under 2K)
12 cell lipo or 2 - 6 cell. 5000mah should get you 9 min.
You will want stabilizatin for the heli, Heli command or AP2000i
A good video downlink is helpful
A half way decent raido, JR or Futaba (10 or 12 channel)
Add it all up and you will have something similuar to what most of us use (some are a lot nicer than others) for about 5 Grand depending on how many batteries you want.

This set up will lift the Canon 5d and a whole lot more

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12-27-2008 03:02 AM  8 years agoPost 46
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Obin,

In all reality, you need to post process stabilize 90% of all heli footage if you want something worth looking at, or are looking for that "cinematic" look you described. Sure, if the wind is 10mph or less, and you're a pilot with years of experience, you will get some shots that don't need post stabilization, but that's the exception to the rule.

Some will disagree or talk **** about how smooth they can fly, their big heli, blah, blah, but in the end RC heli's just aren't a friggin Wescam no matter how much spew comes from someones mouth.

Forget about the underslung mount, they just don't fly that well for video. Front mounts are much nicer, and with decent flying skills, you can get the results you need. You don't even need pan axis for the most part, you can pan with the tail of the heli just fine.

The Copterworks 3 axis mount won't work on a 700 heli. It's too heavy and you won't be able to obtain center of gravity with all that weight up front.

99% of the good footage you've ever seen from an RC Heli has been run through Smoothcam or equivalent. Keep that in mind before you get grandiose ideas about what these helis can do.

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12-27-2008 03:02 AM  8 years agoPost 47
tabbytabb

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Best setup would be

Maxi Joker with Copterworks front mount.

Check this out

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/g...295_dUVdB-XL-LB

Shot with 5D and 24mm TS lens.

To be honest the 5D2 is not my favorite aerial video camera....it does pretty well for some things but the footage doesnt hold up as well as some other cameras and has no ability for 60p

Tabb

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12-27-2008 03:24 AM  8 years agoPost 48
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Obin,

If this is something that you feel you must do by all means do your homework and go for it. I will tell you now that to get consistently good RC aerial video is a huge PIA and the learning curve is quite steep. If you want to focus more on what you are already good at, I would also suggest you simply hire someone who has already invested the time when you need aerials. I know of at least one or two guys in your neck of the woods that are about as good as they get. Food for thought.

Wendell

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12-27-2008 03:38 AM  8 years agoPost 49
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^^^^^^^^^^^Best advice yet.

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12-27-2008 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 50
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Totally agree....

To go from beginner flying to hauling a RED is probably a 5year plan minimum to have the necessary experience to not destroy your camera in the first 2 minutes

Also technology just keeps getting better/smaller/ and easier to fly the longer you wait.

Pretty soon we will be shooting from Trex450s at 4K resolution at 120FPS

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12-27-2008 03:45 AM  8 years agoPost 51
trackhead

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Pretty soon we will be shooting from Trex450s at 4K resolution at 120FPS
Pffft.....

I'm already doing from the Trex250. Where have you been?

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12-27-2008 04:03 AM  8 years agoPost 52
wjw

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OH that's just too funny

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12-27-2008 04:34 AM  8 years agoPost 53
Horacio

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.....

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12-27-2008 04:56 AM  8 years agoPost 54
Brokenlink

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You need this heli

Jamie Griffith

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12-27-2008 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 55
Horacio

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^Beauty

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12-27-2008 12:41 PM  8 years agoPost 56
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What in the world is that?!
Looks like a freaking Decepticon!

Thanx!

Slope Soaring not a Crime

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12-27-2008 12:52 PM  8 years agoPost 57
Brokenlink

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Here you can see more of that helicopter.
http://www.modellbau-bremer.de/heli...atts/index.html

You cn also search "Mob helicopters" or 'Movie cat"
even http://www.reduser.net

Jamie Griffith

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12-27-2008 04:23 PM  8 years agoPost 58
obin

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Any more footage from the Canon on a heli?

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12-27-2008 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 59
obin

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BTW you can check out our work if you like at:

http://www.dv3productions.com

and a film we just finished on the RED at

http://www.fatalflawmovie.com

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12-27-2008 04:54 PM  8 years agoPost 60
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Has that heli produced any footage yet?

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