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HelicopterAerial Photography and Video › Ok what's it take to get my RED in the air? 20+lb​Cinema Camera
12-25-2008 11:06 PM  8 years agoPost 1
obin

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Hey folks, have not been around here in a while due to work and flying at every spare moment I have. Am feeling very solid with flight now, am doing loops rools invert hovers etc(all on my Eflight Blade 400) and I feel it's time to get a real machine that can lift and fly Cinema level shots for motion, what should I get that's a professional level helicopter that can lift 20+ LB of camera gear ? also what's a good remote pan/tilt...don't want any of the cheap lightweight junk I see floating around for stills shooting. Need SOLID professional gimbal for the RED camera. here is the setup: http://www.red.com it's not a small or cheap camera but I think with a custom LIPO power source and a single lens it will come in under 20LB, the body is 10lb with nothing...

Looking at a Mongoose right now but am note sure if that is the best rig..would like to stay within budget $5k or less if I can...but let me know..

THanks for help!

-obin

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12-25-2008 11:38 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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My guess is that you will be looking at a Vario XLV or possibly a twin Bergen. That kind of payload will limit your options. Either way, 5 grand will be real tight.

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12-25-2008 11:44 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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I don't think you can do it on $5000. A 20lb payload will probably put you in a CopterWorks Heli and Camera Mount. You are looking at $15,000 plus for that setup.

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12-26-2008 01:42 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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The only production mount out right now for a heavy RED is the Copterworks at $2500+. That's a 6 pound mount or so. So now you have to lift 26 pounds.

Only heli that will do that is a turbine or a twin.........Cheapest turbine is about $10,000.

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12-26-2008 02:38 AM  8 years agoPost 5
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lifting

i have a air star film ship.g26 and 950 blades. total weight is 35 pounds

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12-26-2008 03:28 AM  8 years agoPost 6
xfc3dcd

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Is your 35 lb. total weight with or without a 20 lb. camera payload?

Wendell

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12-26-2008 03:55 AM  8 years agoPost 7
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That has got to be asking a lot from a G26

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12-26-2008 04:32 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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weight

thats total weight,the engine is still in the green.i still have reserve power

bayou helicam

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12-26-2008 06:20 AM  8 years agoPost 9
rroback

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turbine xlv. no way 5k. think 15-20k. Unless you want to risk picking up 1/2inch pieces of red on the ground, don't overload a smaller ship.

Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.

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12-26-2008 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 10
trackhead

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Unless you want to risk picking up 1/2inch pieces of red on the ground

I choked on my coffee.

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12-26-2008 03:29 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Gary Travis

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Trackhead is right either a turbine or a twin is your option. 5k will be way low. The 26 may pick it up but not for long. You don't want to turn the whole rig into a lawn dart
Gary

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12-26-2008 03:52 PM  8 years agoPost 12
obin

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I think I can get it under 18LB for the camera..does that help?

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12-26-2008 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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A simple analogy:

If you've got a $20 camera, don't use a $1 worth of infrastructure to lift it. Don't skimp.

If you're a serious player, the cost of your platform shouldn't be an issue right now. First, find the best solution to lift that "Red" camera reliably then see whether you could afford to pay to play (or work).

You want to lift that "Red" camera with a P.O.S. Mongoose? Have you seen their front mount design? You could do better building your own front mount with Home Depot's plastic irrigation tubing .

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12-26-2008 04:06 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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12-26-2008 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Gary Travis

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Now I choked on my coffee
Gary

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12-26-2008 04:12 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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And the dart is even red - Perfect!

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12-26-2008 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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p.o.s

there is nothing wrong with a mongoose

bayou helicam

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12-26-2008 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 18
obin

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Ok mongoose is pos
Don't skimp
Got it

So what to buy for very professional setup that
Will last as long as my red and not fall out of the sky due to
Bad parts etc?

Love the idea of buying Somthing that is not 'stressed Out' due to
Buying a large enough machine to handle the weight.

Can someone outline a med budget and all out budget ship for flying professional film shots? With let's say a 15-20lb payload

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12-26-2008 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 19
trackhead

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Obin,

You need a big turbine like a Vario XLV, Bergen Observer Turbine, or other large turbine heli, or possibly a large electric.

Tabb is having success flying the RED on his electric ship, but I don't know any more than that.

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12-26-2008 07:05 PM  8 years agoPost 20
wjw

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I would add another suggestion to this whole line of thaught.
According to your orignal post, you are still flying your Eflight 400.
If you have not already started flying something MUCH larger, I would suggest doing that before putting a turbine and a Red in the air.
There is a HUGE difference in flying a Eflight 400 and a heli coming in at 35 lbs.
Just something to ponder

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