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12-25-2008 03:21 PM  8 years agoPost 1
AltecLansing

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I installed an align governor last night on my vibe 50. I had to set it to my aux channel on my 12fgh and that channel to a switch to turn it off and on. I want to hook it to my governor menu and enable a switch in that menu to turn it off and on and be able to set different head speeds for different flight modes. I can do this with my atgv3 on my evo and that works fine. I'm sure with the align governor, I can set the different head speeds for the different flight modes as it should be the same way as the atg in set up for flight modes. However, when I hooked it to the switch through the governor, I couldn't get the governor to cut off. Ie, the red light didn't come on when I flipped the switch. It stayed green. Anyone with experience with this set up?

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-25-2008 04:33 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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found this thread on it.

http://www.runryder.com/?do=CLASSIF...&bot=1230185756

I'll give it a try to see if I can shut off the governor. I'll post results as the work progresses.

I read further down and it didn't work for the guy. So, now I'm back to square one.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-25-2008 05:55 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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I figured it out. I now have a seperate switch to turn the governor off and on. Now I have to flight test it to get the right percentages for the desired head speeds.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-26-2008 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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Can you post your findings? As I have a 14MZ.

Thanks in advance.

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12-26-2008 03:12 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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Sure, I will let you know the set up as it is now. I haven't done the taching of the head speed yet. But that will follow tomorrow.

For the radio, I connected my governor to channel 7. That is the factory setting for the governor to be on. Of course you could change channels if you wish, just remember to change the radio for the governor to be on that same channel. I then went to servo reversing in the radio and reversed channel 7 for me. Then I went to the governor menu and activated rate 1, and chose a switch. In my case, I chose the sd switch. I then set the sd switch so that in position 1 or the top position, the rate 1 is on. Then I went to rate 2 in the governor menu and activated that. I then chose the same switch for that and set it so that position 2 and position 3 are for rate 2 to be on.

Okay, now I went to rate 1 again with the sd switch activated for rate 1 and made sure it worked. I set my percentage for head speed, which I don't know yet, but will hopefully, tomorrow. I then went to rate 2 and made sure the sd switched worked on rate 2. While in rate two, I set the percentage to off.

You do the above things for each flight mode you have and for heading hold, you can set rate 1 for that to off on the percentage value.

I went to the servo monitor to verify the settings. With the sd switched set so that rate 1 is on, it showed the governor to have a positive value which is what the governor wants to set head speed. I then switched the sd switch to the center position which is suppose to go to rate 2 which has the governor set to off. This showed the governor channel to go to -135 on my radio. The governor wants a negative value to shut off. I then turned on the heli and watched the light on the governor. It turned green with the sd switch in the top position. I then moved the sd switch to position two or the middle position and the light turned red. According to the brief instructions that come with the governor, green means the governor is on and red means the governor is off. Position 3 on my sd switch is also set to turn the governor off.

The radio is fairly new to me, but I learn new stuff with it all the time. If you have any questions, feel free to pm me.

My atg is set to work the same way. So no matter which heli I'm flying, my governor acts the same with the switches. Makes it easier when switching from heli to heli.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-26-2008 03:23 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Wyorcflyer

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The important questions is will you be able to set different head speeds on different switch positions like most other governors. Not having the ability to set rpm by the number makes it inconvenient at best.

Keep us posted.

Jack.

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12-26-2008 03:31 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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I already have the percentages changed for each flight mode. The percentage number is the same as the atv value which is what the governor is looking at. My atg is the same way. I use the percentage to change the head speed. I could also ad more head speed settings with the extra position I'm not using on the sd switch. I'll let you know the head speed when I get them tested. I already did some math and came up with some percentages, but the math may not be right.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-26-2008 04:51 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Wyorcflyer

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I will be interested. Since it comes with some of Aligns packages anyway it will be nice if it works well.

Jack

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12-28-2008 01:22 AM  8 years agoPost 9
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Okay, I took my vibe 50 with the align governor out today. I can turn the governor off and on with the switch. It seemed to maintain the head speed well. My math was wrong some how.

23% yielded a head speed of 1850.
25% yeilded a head speed of 2050.

According to the chart that comes with the governor, the governor at 10% yields an engine speed of 10500 and a head speed of 1235, at 20% it yields an engine speed of 10500 and a head speed of 1235 and at 30% it yields an engine speed of 12000 and a head speed of 1412. Head speeds are computed at ratio of 8.5 This is on the chart and can be calculated.

engine speed dived by ratio yields rounded off
10500 / 8.5 = 1235.29 1235
12000 / 8.5 = 1411.76 1412

As you can see that matches the chart that comes with the governor for a 600n at a gear ratio of 8.5

for my vibe 50 with a ratio of 8.7

engine speed divided by ratio yields rounded off
10500 / 8.7 = 1206.89 1207
12000 / 8.7 = 1379.31 1379

that would be at 20% and 30% settings. As you can see with my settings the head speeds don't fall between 1207 and 1379.

What do the math calculations mean? Nothing really as the governor menu works in the radio along with the seperate switch for turning the governor off and on and the governor is maintaining the desired head speed.

I've had two flights with the governor on and one with the governor off by the switch. I am not a very good 3d pilot and I'm still learning 3d moves. I did attempt some poorly done tic tocs, funnels, stall turns with a twist, flips, rolls, and loops with this governor on and it held the head speed fine so far. I'm happy with it so far.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-28-2008 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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Curious to know if you can set it up so that you can use a switch to change rpm from 1900 to 2000 to 2100 or whatever values you prefer.

Jack

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12-28-2008 05:40 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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yes, you can. For each flight mode, you can have 3 rates set up. All I did was set up two rates in each flight mode. One rate consisted of the head speed I wished to fly at and the other rate is set to turn off the governor. Since I use a 3 position switch, I can use one more rate for each flight mode to set another head speed, but why would you want to? I have a normal mode, idle up 1, and idle up 2. I set a different head speed for each flight mode. I prefer 1750 on normal mode, 1950 on idle up 1, and 2050 on idle up 2. You would adjust for what you like to fly at. I like the vibe 50 at 2050. You could also set up a vr knob and just turn it for any head speed during flight I believe. I don't know that for a fact, because I haven't set up the vr for anything. I don't see a need to.

By the way, throttle hold is treated as a flight mode also, but I just set the governor to off when the throttle hold is activated. I really like this radio. It has a lot of programability to it. I could stand a couple of more toggle switches on it though, just enough for people to look at it and say "Why?"

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-28-2008 05:54 AM  8 years agoPost 12
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Thanks.

I got a 700N for Christmas and it came with an Align governor so I may give it a try. I have used GV-1's and Multigov's in my other heli's. I set up a bit different than most. I don't put the rpm on the idle up switch, I use a separate switch. As you suggested in normal mode one of those positions turns the gov off. In all other modes I have three rpm's I can use. I know that is a bit odd but I did it just to try different rpm combinations. I have always assumed that when I got what I wanted I would use the idle up switch to control rpm but I have gotten used to it having rpm on its own switch and like it so I just left it that way. I don't necessarily recommend it but it works for me.

I really like the 12fgh as well. Before I bought it I had 15 transmitters of different ages. Just trying to keep batteries in them all was expensive and a pain. I now have all but one plane on the 12fgh. I carry a spare battery and can fly all day. Plus the feel is then always the same. I also like the versatility. From fairly simple elec heli's to 90 size nitro heli's to 33% planes to war birds with 10 channels being used and it does it all with ease.

Thanks for figuring it out.

Jack

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12-28-2008 06:00 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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I keep only two radios now. My first radio is a 6ex fasst radio. When I saw the deal on the 12fgh, I bought that. I was going to buy a 12z, but for the price the 12fgh is the best deal going. Now, I have a couple of helis left on the 6ex that I will move over eventually, and then I'll make the 6ex a buddy box. Which reminds me, I have a 4 channel radio I was using as a buddy box I will be needing to sell.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-30-2008 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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Thank you for your imput. Mine now works good.

Thanks again.

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12-30-2008 02:54 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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Glad to be of help.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-30-2008 04:30 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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Buddy Box for the 12FGH

Hey Altec:

If you are going to use the 6EX as a buddy box with the 12FGH you need to be careful about channel assignments on the 12FGH. The channel assignments suggested by the 12FGH will not be the channel assignements used by the 6EX. Since you can't assign channels on the 6EX you can end up with incompatibility unless you use the channel assignement as they are fixed on the 6EX when you set up the 12FGH. Either that or you have to be really good because rudder may end up on the elevator stick and aileron on the throttle stick etc.

Or you can buy a second 12FGH, use the recommended channel assignments and use the SD card to transfer the exact settings.

Jack

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01-25-2009 02:24 AM  8 years agoPost 17
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why do u set atv to get head speed

on the futaba 12fgh u can set the goveror actual RPM on the menue screen, why would u have to guess on percentages.??

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01-25-2009 02:30 AM  8 years agoPost 18
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The rpm setting in the 12fgh is specifically for the futaba gv1 governor. That's why I use percentages because the rpm setting wouldn't be accurate in the radio, but if you wish to use the rpms values instead of percentages keep in mind the radio won't show the right head speed when not using a gv1 governor.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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03-02-2009 02:24 AM  8 years agoPost 19
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I bought this radio too and I have some questions. if I set the rates up in the governor menu do I still need to mess with the values for the end points for the gov channel? I figured out how to change the rates per flight mode in the governor menu but in the end points menu it still reads the default values of 135 and 135 as the limits as opposed to 60 and 70 which are the rate percentages I intend to use.

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03-02-2009 02:58 AM  8 years agoPost 20
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Do all of your head speed adjustments in the governor menu.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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