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12-26-2008 04:36 AM  8 years agoPost 61
Spitfire1

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Somethings wrong there the Trex kit is just over $500, 530 I think hang on ill just go and check.. and get back to you in a minute.

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12-26-2008 04:48 AM  8 years agoPost 62
Spitfire1

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Trex 600e GF $700 includeing a Outrage 6s 5000 pack, so minus the pack. comes to $500, my one cost $530. link below, the packs are usually 340 but your basicly getting it for $200..

http://www.takeoffandland.com.au/pr...69195a87b78cd2b

Trex 450 v2 $680 + 85 for an outrage pack = $765

http://www.takeoffandland.com.au/pr...69195a87b78cd2b

so GF 600e with 1 ouytrage pack should be 850 dollars
Trex 450 v2 765 dollars.

If you bought the package deal 600e with 1 pack it would be $700 which is cheaper than the v2 comeing in at $765.

But if you use Zippy packs then 3s 2200 are about $20 I think and 6s 5000`s about $138.
so Trex 600e $500+(zippy after exchange and shipping say $200)=$700.
and Rex 450 V2 $720 - 750. depending how shipping and exchange works.

Just something to think about..

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12-26-2008 05:02 AM  8 years agoPost 63
Spitfire1

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Can I also suggest Hitec HS 5475 HB digital servos if you go 600 size, Ive used the same set that I had on my previous 50 size heli for about a year and theyve been on my Rex for about 6 months, they cost about $150 for 3..

Even though ive been flying a few years I only just started doing 3d in the last couple of months (with 50 size helis that is). But ive alway done agressive flips and rolls in big sky flying and never had a prob with them servos, and even now im doing 3d they seem fine.

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12-26-2008 02:05 PM  8 years agoPost 64
Lojik

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Thanks for the info spitfire,

Unfortunately the exchange rate isn't as pleasant as you think at the moment.
Trex 450 v2 $680 + 85 for an outrage pack = $765
AU$765 is currently NZ$915
Even the basic TrexSEV2 kit will cost me more if I buy from AU. (AU$680 = NZ$815 vs local price of $779)
The 600e with the 6s 5000Mah battery is definitely a good deal though, but I might be able to score the same sort of deal down here with my local if i buy it all together.

Also it was a bit of an unfair comparison, I was comparing the cost of a top of the range 450 kit vs a bottom line 600, would be better If i compared the 450S vs the 600GF and the 450SEV2 vs the 600ESP. Either way its always going to end up the 600 being more to start out with unless I find one second hand. And although I would rather buy new and build Its something I should definitely consider.

If I went for the 600 I would probably go for Digital servo's, there are some pretty decent ones on the market for $60-100 a pop so its an option.

Well so far I'm leaning heavily towards the 450. The next choice I guess is what model, considering there is the below to choose from:

450SEV2
450SE(CDE)
450S

If I do decide to go for the 450, is there any benefit to a beginner pilot in getting the SEV2 or SE(CDE) over the 450S?

Price wise the 450S is roughly 60% of the price of the SEV2 and the CDE is around $80 cheaper than the SEV2 once I get a bat.

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12-26-2008 03:21 PM  8 years agoPost 65
Ken4

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Another reason why the 600E is not so attractive to me, is that in some crashes, the battery can get damaged. In my 5 weeks of owning my Trex450seV2, I've had 3 packs damaged. One was totally smashed, another was bent like a banana, and another was punctured. Luckily, the 3S zippy packs are cheap as chips.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...00mAh_3S1P_25C_

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12-26-2008 03:26 PM  8 years agoPost 66
Rogerm069

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For one the GF kit combo is on sale at amain hobbies online for $359

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product...oducts_id/18065

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional

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12-27-2008 01:05 AM  8 years agoPost 67
Spitfire1

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Sorry about that Lojic, for some reason I thought AUS and NZ were kinda the same for some reason..

And I thought it was bad for us in AUS, those prices in NZ are shocking..

I still cant understand why it is, that if Americas economy is up **** creek, and our economy`s are not so bad in comparison, how all of a sudden our currency`s goes down hill??

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12-27-2008 03:51 AM  8 years agoPost 68
Lojik

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Hey Spit no need to be sorry mate, Unfortunately although were doing OK our Economies are pretty much up **** creek as well, can't account for AUS but NZ's spending power at the moment is super low, I'm estimating at least 3 companies to go Brupt by mid next year in the industry I work in.

I'm not into the whole markets / exchange / interest rate thingy but the people I work with are getting worried about the coming year and what It means for our economy.

L

p.s. anyone got any responses on the below:

"If I do decide to go for the 450, is there any benefit to a beginner pilot in getting the SEV2 or SE(CDE) over the 450S?"

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12-27-2008 04:05 AM  8 years agoPost 69
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Im no expert on Trex 450`s so cant help all that much.
All I would say is I imagine the v2 is all blinged out with metal gear where the others Im assuming are not so blinged out with metal gear, Im thinking whatever one you get, each time you crash you could replace the broken parts with metal stuff.
I have heard some people actualy prefer some plastic compononts on there 450`s as it prevents the servos getting stripped when you crash.

This is just my own personal opinion, but If it was me I would buy the cheaper Align 450`s simply because if I had the money to buy a v2 Ide rather buy either a 500 or 600.
They just seem very expensive for a little heli, those v2`s.

(EDIT) Im actualy thinking of buying the 450s at some point down the track for what its worth.

(EDIT2) My first heli was a Trex450 XL, by todays standards im sure is as crap as they come, but I thought it was a brilliant heli, from memory it was very a very powerful machine. was a long time ago but.

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12-27-2008 07:09 AM  8 years agoPost 70
dbgood

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trex 450 v2 and trex 500

i have learned to fly on a 450 v2,totally awesome flys so much bigger than it is too.It was my first heli and learned in not even 2 months to fly..no tricks yet just fast flybys and some sharp turns.I also built a trex 500,great flying..It is much easier to see especially goin 80mph or so....I love them both and recommend to anyone these 2..they are so smooth set up right.

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12-27-2008 08:55 AM  8 years agoPost 71
TRex4life

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Just get a blade cp....Parts are cheap and if you hate the hobby, not a huge investment.

Also your trex 500 aint doing 80mph, but thanks for the input!

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12-27-2008 11:50 AM  8 years agoPost 72
Ken4

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"If I do decide to go for the 450, is there any benefit to a beginner pilot in getting the SEV2 or SE(CDE) over the 450S?"
Depends. A cheap 450 might be good for doing some silly stuff like flying over water or swamp or heavily forested area. Where retrieval is nearly impossible and hence no big loss. I chose the V2 bcos I didnt want to bother about upgrading in future. All metal gives better precision. CF frame is light yet strong. My V2 came with stock CF main blades which is safer than woodies at higher rpm. Some 450s like the Beam E4 only come in 1 version and dont give customers a choice. To give you some inspiration, take a look at my mate flying his 450size Beam E4. One day I hope to be as good as him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3lVcBrmOkQ

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12-28-2008 10:10 PM  8 years agoPost 73
rexxigpilot

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If you're looking to save some money, try the 450S GF kit. It's less than the 450S A kit by about $24. It will fly almost as well as the 450SE V1 since its basically the same heli with glass fiber frames and plastic head and tail parts instead of CF and metal. It is a bit heavier, so some performance will be lost.

AFAIK, Align doesn't make/never made a 450SE (CDE). But the 450XL (CDE), which they did make, is not what you want. It used sloppy bellcrank connections from the servos to the swash and had a plastic frame. It also had aluminum control balls that wore out quickly. I'm not sure the 450 XL (CD) is even still available anyway.

The 450SE V2 is the best flying Align 450. Several minor improvements were made to the V1 to produce the V2 including thrust bearings in the main rotor, thicker spindle shaft, much better main blade grips and a higher battery tray placement. These suttle changes make it far superior to the V1.

As a beginner, you are probably not capable of exploiting the improvements of the SE V2 compared to the V1. That's why I recommended the GF model. It is the best Align 450 for the money. If you plan on uprgarding anyway, get the 450SE V2 to start with. You'll save a lot compared to upgrading a V1 derivative heli. Also, the battery placement issue can't be resolved with aftermaket upgrade parts.

If you have the money to spend on the 450 SE V2, you may want to consider other options besides Align. The Furion, Beam and Rave are superior 450 class helis compared to the Align. You just have to find a way around the exchange rate.

Good luck in you decision. I hope this helped.

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12-29-2008 03:59 PM  8 years agoPost 74
Skarn

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[quote]Just get a blade cp....Parts are cheap and if you hate the hobby, not a huge investment.
No offense but I HIGHLY recommend you do NOT listen to this advice!

A Blade CP has been the worst heli I've even owned. I learned on one yes, but the frustration of learning on a tail motor driven heli...and the tail motors burn out frequently, the servo's strip... no HH gyro....MUCH frustration. I had one for about a year flying off and on....then I got my TREX 450 SE v2....was doing loops and flips within 20 flights! Yes, they are like night and day. I wish I had NEVER gotten the POS Blade CP. And it's not just the Blade...any micro heli is frustrating for a newbie.

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...

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12-29-2008 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 75
Lojik

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I've decided to start with the 450

Thanks for everyone's help on this, I have decided to go with a Trex 450.

My Reason:
  1. Start up cost is roughly NZ$600 less than the 600 or 500
  2. Inevitable Repair costs will keep me flying instead of broke
  3. Natural progression, although it may take longer, once I have learned to control the 450 at intermediate standard moving onto a 600 will be a natural and easy progression
I am currently looking at the difference between the below two models and will most likely be choosing one of them as my first model. I will have at least 5 months before I make the purchase so new models or changes may effect my end decision.

450SE(CDE)
450SE V2

I have decided to spend the extra NZ$300 on the better kits because I believe in long term goals, In a years time I do not want to be thinking "I wish I bought the SEV2"

Hopefully when I am confident in all angles of hover and forwards flight I will be buying a scale fuse for the 450, probably a 500E but If i can get my hands on something "different" then I will.
=Rexxigpilot.
If you plan on uprgarding anyway, get the 450SE V2 to start with. You'll save a lot compared to upgrading a V1 derivative heli. Also, the battery placement issue can't be resolved with aftermaket upgrade parts.

If you have the money to spend on the 450 SE V2, you may want to consider other options besides Align. The Furion, Beam and Rave are superior 450 class helis compared to the Align. You just have to find a way around the exchange rate.
Thanks for the info Rex, I have decided to stick to the Trex market because the support and availability of parts here in NZ is very strong, there is very little support for the other models you mentioned compared to the Trex range. If and when I become more confident in my skills I may look at importing or getting a store to bring in a different make but for now I think its in my best interest to get a model that has the backing and support that the Trex does here.

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If anyone has any tips or advise about the 450 then please shout, I will probably start a post when I get the kit or heck carry it on on this one is probably better.

I have also decided to upgrade my radio equipment to 2.4Ghz and 8+ channels so that I am capable of flying larger scale models in the future without having to upgrade.

I have brought the choice's down to the below two radio's:

JR DSX9 (9303)
Futaba 10C

Now the DSX9 is around NZ$250 more than the Futaba but it has some benefits that I believe make it the better choice for me:
Heck of allot Cheaper RX's and also more choice for smaller RX systems (prefer smaller models)
true 9 channels instead of 8+2 switch
There is a larger group of users in NZ using the DSX9 than the 10C

Now I have read and searched the net about these two radio's and heard great things and bad things about both, Unless someone can persuade me I will be buying the JR radio along with Phoenix when I return to NZ after the new year so If you really believe I shouldn't get the DSX9 for any reasons please shout out

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12-29-2008 06:16 PM  8 years agoPost 76
Skarn

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Excellent choice bro, you won't regret it!

I highly recommend you watch all of the Finless Bob video's on the 450 over at helifreak. He has a video for just about everything.

Good luck!
Skarn

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12-29-2008 06:50 PM  8 years agoPost 77
rexxigpilot

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Lojik,
The 10C and 9303 are both excellent radios. You can't go wrong with either. If you stay with electric helis only, the 9303 is probably a good choice. As you pointed out, the RX cost is typically lower and the selection better than with the Futaba system. However, if you plan to go with larger, more complicated helis at some time later, you may want to consider the 10C. It has more flexible programing options. The other negative about the JR is the lack of a digital trim on throttle. I would not let that be a deal breaker since you can quickly reset the throttle trim to the desired position and it is only an issue for nitro/gas helis. Check some of the RR threads comparing the two.

Skarn,
+1 on your Blade CP assessment! It's quite possibly the worst heli ever made to learn on. However, for the intermediate or advanced pilot, it's a good heli to test your flying skills, especially in a 5 to 10 MPH breeze.

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12-30-2008 01:47 AM  8 years agoPost 78
Spitfire1

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Good choice, you cant go wrong with any of the Trex line.

EDIT.. only thing I would add is when you said before.
In a years time I do not want to be thinking "I wish I bought the SEV2"

I dont think this would be the case if did buy a V1, a years a long time in heli flying terms, I imagine you probly would have crashed 3 or more times and pretty much replaced with metal stuff buy then.

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12-30-2008 02:19 AM  8 years agoPost 79
docjoe

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Either V1 or V2 will be fine. Actually for you, I would recommend the V1. It does not have thrust bearings which for the most part will wear LESS on the dampeners. I have a big problem with the stock dampeners getting eaten up by the spindle collar because they're so small. I even use the TrueBLood dampeners which help but still get chewed up, more so than the V1. You don't need the thrust bearings and I doubt that you will be able to tell the difference between thrusted and non-thrusted.

Plus, you might be able to get the V1 at a significantly reduced cost compared to the V1.

Joe
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12-30-2008 03:06 AM  8 years agoPost 80
Ken4

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Dont forget to put some money aside for a good sim. I recommend Reflex XTR. Then you can download the Trex 450seV2 here:

http://www.rc-sim.de/dl_engine/inde...c2426d02ebb391d

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